Electric Field Lines: Should Earthed Plate Have No Charge?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of grounding and its relation to potential and charges on a plate. It is stated that being grounded means having zero potential, not necessarily zero charge. It is also mentioned that positive and negative charges can exist in a grounded system, and that the potential of a grounded plate can be higher than that of a negatively charged one. Furthermore, it is clarified that field lines point from high potential to low potential, and they start at positive charges and end at negative charges. It is also noted that without an equal magnitude positive surface charge density, the field should continue below the lower plane.
  • #1
PhysicStud01
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Homework Statement
The top plate is negatively charged and the bottom earthed.

which of the diagrams is correct?
Relevant Equations
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Shouldn't the plate that is earthed be with no charge? making B correct.
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but the accepted answer was A.
 
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  • #2
PhysicStud01 said:
Shouldn't the plate that is earthed be with no charge?
No, grounded means zero potential, not zero charge.
 
  • #3
Orodruin said:
No, grounded means zero potential, not zero charge.
so, even if it's zero potential, it's possible to have +ve charges?
shouldn't the plate with +ve charges be at a higher potential
 
  • #4
PhysicStud01 said:
so, even if it's zero potential, it's possible to have +ve charges?
Yes, that is perfectly possible. You can also have negative charges. It depends on what charges exist in the surroundings. What characterises ground is zero potential.

PhysicStud01 said:
shouldn't the plate with +ve charges be at a higher potential
Higher relative to what? Let me give you a different example where there is no ground:
Consider two spherical concentric shells with the same magnitude charge. The outer shell is positively charged and the inner is negatively charged. Since the overall charge of the system is zero, there is no electric field outside of the outer charge and therefore its potential is zero (assuming potential at infinity is set to zero) although it is positively charged.

Yes, the grounded plate will have a higher potential than the negatively charged one, but this tells you nothing about the actual charges on the plate.
 
  • #5
The plate which is grounded should have zero charge on its left face so charge on outer face of 2 plate also have zero charge, so negative charge of 2 plate will appear on inner face and equal and opposite charge induce on inner surface of grounded plate then electric field will move from positively charged face to negatively charged face
 
  • #6
then can we say that the field lines are from high potential to low potential instead of from +ve to -ve?
 
  • #7
Field lines point in the direction of the electric field, which is given by the negative of the gradient of the potential. So, by definition, field lines point from high potential to low potential.
 
  • #8
B and D can't be correct since the field starts or stops at the bottom plate without a surface charge density [technical point: "boundary condition of the perpendicular component of E"].
Field lines start at positive charges and terminate at negative charges.
Without an equal magnitude positive surface charge density, the field should continue below the lower plane.
 

Related to Electric Field Lines: Should Earthed Plate Have No Charge?

1. What are electric field lines?

Electric field lines are a graphical representation of the electric field around a charged object. They show the direction and strength of the electric field at different points in space.

2. How are electric field lines created?

Electric field lines are created by a charged object, such as an electron or a proton. The electric field lines emanate from the charged object and extend outwards in all directions.

3. Why do electric field lines originate from positive charges and terminate at negative charges?

Electric field lines originate from positive charges because positive charges repel each other. This means that the electric field lines will extend away from each other. On the other hand, electric field lines terminate at negative charges because negative charges attract positive charges. This means that the electric field lines will converge towards the negative charge.

4. How does the presence of an earthed plate affect electric field lines?

If a charged object is placed near an earthed plate, the electric field lines will be affected. The earthed plate acts as a conductor and allows the charge to flow through it, reducing the strength of the electric field. This results in the electric field lines being pushed towards the plate and away from the charged object.

5. Should an earthed plate have no charge?

Ideally, an earthed plate should have no charge as it is connected to the ground and allows any excess charge to flow through it. This helps to maintain a balanced electric field and prevent any potential hazards or damage from building up. However, in some cases, a small amount of charge may still be present on an earthed plate due to external factors such as static electricity.

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