Doppler effect and speed of light as a constant.

In summary, the conversation discusses the question of how the Doppler Effect can be explained if light speed is constant. The idea of light speed being constant is a postulated property, not a deduced one. The conversation also explains how the red shift property can be used to deduce that light speed is constant. In considering special relativity, it is important to be careful with language and to compare two situations rather than using the concept of "moving towards" a light source. The difference in frequency between two otherwise identical light sources, one stationary and one moving, is a manifestation of the momentum they carry and the invariance of light speed.
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The question "If light speed is constant, how do you explain the Doppler Effect?" has been asked a lot in the internet. Anyway, I haven't found one concise answer. In the book Kleppner&Kolenkow Mechanics there is a brief explanation of the Relativistic Doppler Effect, but as usual in this topic, it uses the property of light speed being constant to explain it (it doesn't deduce this last property).
So, the right questions to ask, in my opinion are these:
  • How would you (cleverly) use the red shift property to deduce that light speed is constant?
  • In terms of the properties of light as a wave, what happens to the wave in order to change it's wavelength to red but maintain it's speed.
 
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1. You can't. The phenomenon does not depend on lightspeed being invariant (note: not "constant").
"invariant" means that all inertial observers measure the same value.
However, you can compare different models experimentally and show the most useful consistency comes from the invariant lightspeed case.

2. ##c=f\lambda## so what do you think happens to allow the speed to be the same when the wavelength is different?

In considering special relativity, you have to be very careful with your language or you'll get confused.
Forinstance, it is natural to think that a light source gets bluer if you move towards it - but this language is nonsence in SR.
The "you" in the sentence is the observer.
In SR, all observers are stationary.
So how can "you" be "move towards" the light source?

Instead you have to compare two situations.
i.e. two otherwise identical light sources, one stationary wrt you and the other moving towards you, will show a difference in their frequencies: the moving one is bluer. The blueness is a manifestation of the momentum it carries. The speed of the light from each source can be measured and will be found to be the same.

And that is the succinct description for how the doppler shift happens when the speed of light is invarient.

You should realize that the invariance of the speed of light is not a deduced property, but a postulated one. It is needed in order to make a definition of what we mean by "simultaneous events".
 
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Related to Doppler effect and speed of light as a constant.

1. How does the Doppler effect affect the perceived frequency of light waves?

The Doppler effect is a phenomenon where the perceived frequency of a wave changes based on the relative motion between the source and observer. In the case of light waves, if the source is moving towards the observer, the perceived frequency will increase (blueshift), and if the source is moving away from the observer, the perceived frequency will decrease (redshift).

2. Does the speed of light vary based on the observer's frame of reference?

No, the speed of light is a constant value that does not change based on the observer's frame of reference. This is one of the fundamental principles of Einstein's theory of relativity.

3. Can the Doppler effect be observed with other types of waves besides light?

Yes, the Doppler effect can be observed with any type of wave, including sound waves, water waves, and even seismic waves. It is a universal phenomenon that applies to all types of waves.

4. Is there a limit to how much the frequency of light can be shifted due to the Doppler effect?

No, there is no limit to how much the frequency of light can be shifted. As long as there is relative motion between the source and observer, the frequency of light waves can be shifted to any value.

5. How does the speed of light remain a constant even when the source is moving?

The speed of light is a fundamental constant that is independent of the motion of the source. This means that even if the source of light is moving, the speed of light will always be the same value. This is because the speed of light is not affected by the observer's frame of reference, as explained by Einstein's theory of relativity.

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