Does twisted light violate Fermat's principle?

In summary, the conversation discusses the behavior of twisted light and whether it violates physical principles such as Fermat's principle and refraction laws. It is clarified that the trajectory of phase for twisted light is not the same as its propagation trajectory, and that twisted light is different from circularly polarized light. It is also mentioned that accelerated light does not violate Fermat's principle.
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The twisted light propagate in curved line, then does twisted light violate Ferma's priciple?And then it violate refraction and refractive laws?
 
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fxdung said:
The twisted light propagate in curved line, ...
What do you mean? Please provide a reference for the "propagating in curved line" part.
 
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fxdung said:
The twisted light propagate in curved line, then does twisted light violate Ferma's priciple?And then it violate refraction and refractive laws?

Don't mistake the behavior of the field vectors for the direction of travel.
 
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In Optics by Hecht, he say the trajectory of phase of EM wave of twisted light is helix.
 
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fxdung said:
In Optics by Hecht, he say the trajectory of phase of EM wave of twisted light is helix.
An exact quote would be helpful.

It sounds like he is speaking of a circularly polarized light beam and is depicting the direction and magnitude of the electric or magnetic field vectors at each point on the beam as if they were physical displacements of the beam.

As @Drakkith points out, those lateral vectors are not displacements (e.g. in centimeters) but are field strengths (e.g. in volts/meter).
 
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fxdung said:
In Optics by Hecht, he say the trajectory of phase of EM wave of twisted light is helix.
Trajectory of phase is not the propagation trajectory. The propagation direction is the straight green axis below.

Helix_oam.png


From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_angular_momentum_of_light
 
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The phase velocity is greater c if propagation velocity is c?
 
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No, actually you get a local modification of the Poynting vector. The propagation velocity along the green axis will be slightly less than c because the local Poynting vector is slightly tilted away from the green axis at every point. See the following image:

Poynting.jpg


This image was shamelessly stolen from the following talk slides by Miles Padgett: https://www.gla.ac.uk/media/Media_263851_smxx.pdf

And just for the record as people often confuse that: Twisted light is not circularly polarized light, but light with a spatially varying phase front, usually a helical gradient of multiples of 2 pi.
 
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I think this only happens close to the source, within its radiation near zone, or within a waveguide.
 
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So, is there any difference between accelerated light and twisted light?If accelerated light propagate on curved trajectory, then does it violate Ferma's principle?
 
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fxdung said:
So, is there any difference between accelerated light and twisted light?If accelerated light propagate on curved trajectory, then does it violate Ferma's principle?

Twisted and accelerated light are totally different things. Ray trajectories associated with accelerated light do not violate Fermat's principle.
 

Related to Does twisted light violate Fermat's principle?

1. What is twisted light?

Twisted light, also known as orbital angular momentum (OAM) light, is a type of light that has a helical wavefront instead of a flat wavefront like traditional light.

2. What is Fermat's principle?

Fermat's principle is a fundamental principle in optics that states that light will travel from one point to another along the path that takes the least amount of time.

3. How does twisted light violate Fermat's principle?

Twisted light violates Fermat's principle because it does not travel along the straightest path, but rather along a curved path due to its helical wavefront.

4. Can twisted light still obey other laws of physics?

Yes, twisted light still obeys other laws of physics such as conservation of energy and momentum. It only violates Fermat's principle due to its unique wavefront structure.

5. What are the potential applications of twisted light?

Twisted light has potential applications in optical communication, imaging, and manipulation of microscopic particles. It also has potential uses in quantum information processing and high-speed data transfer.

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