Does the mass difference between p+ and e+ explain differences wrt e- ?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of a hydrogen atom with a positron replacing the proton in the nucleus. The question is raised as to why the electron and positron do not annihilate due to the Coulomb force, and it is explained that they are not antiparticles. The concept of the electron wave function and its finite probability of being at the location of the proton is also mentioned. The conversation then moves on to discussing the contribution of this effect in positronium and the longer lifetime of spin-aligned electron and positron.
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My question is best explained by a Gedankenexperiment. First we have a hydrogen atom, with the electron not collapsing into the nucleus for the well-known reason of its minimum energy being above that needed to overcome the Coulomb force. Fine. Now replace the proton in the nucleus with a positron. Blip! the electron and positron annihilate. But the Coulomb forces are the same, the electron's energy is still quantised, so why doesn't the same mechanism work?
 
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The electron wave function does not vanish at the origin so the electron does have a finite probability of being at the location of the proton. They do not annihilate because they are not antiparticles.
 
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Thank you, Meir Achuz. I had not considered this aspect. That puts a new light on the problem.
 
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The effect you're talking about does contribute in positronium: in some sense it helps explain why positronium should live so long (0.1 ns). This is enormous in the sense that it is larger than the lifetime of some neutral mesons which can only decay through the weak force. (I'm thinking of the K short here).

If the electron and positron are spin aligned, you actually can have it live even longer: on the order of 100 ns
 
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BHamilton: thank you for that information; it is very interesting and enlightening.
 

Related to Does the mass difference between p+ and e+ explain differences wrt e- ?

1. What is the difference between the mass of a proton and a positron?

The mass of a proton (p+) is approximately 1 atomic mass unit (amu) while the mass of a positron (e+) is approximately 0.0005 amu. This means that a proton is approximately 2000 times more massive than a positron.

2. How does the mass difference between p+ and e+ affect their interactions with other particles?

The mass difference between p+ and e+ does not have a significant effect on their interactions with other particles. Both particles have the same charge and similar masses, therefore they interact with other particles in similar ways.

3. Does the mass difference between p+ and e+ impact their stability?

Yes, the mass difference between p+ and e+ plays a crucial role in their stability. Protons are considered stable particles, while positrons are unstable and decay into other particles within a very short amount of time.

4. How does the mass difference between p+ and e+ explain differences with respect to electrons (e-)?

The mass difference between p+ and e+ does not directly explain differences with respect to electrons (e-). However, the mass difference does affect the way these particles interact with other particles, which can lead to differences in their behavior and properties.

5. Can the mass difference between p+ and e+ be observed in experiments?

Yes, the mass difference between p+ and e+ can be observed in experiments, such as particle accelerators. By measuring the trajectories and interactions of these particles, scientists can determine their mass difference and other properties.

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