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- Does Gravity decrease at a steady rate as we go away from earth?
I have several questions related to gravity. I first need to know if gravity decreases at a steady rate for very 1 mile higher up we go?
kuruman said:No, the rate is not steady. The rate per mile higher up decreases the higher you go. That's because the force of gravity is inversely proportional to the distance from the center of the Earth does not decrease linearly with altitude.
Drakkith said:The force of gravity scales as 1/r2 (r = radius from an idealized point mass, which the Earth is not, but it's close enough to use here in this example), which means that you lose 75% of the force as you move from 1r to 2r. Moving from 2r to 4r, the force only drops another 18.75% to 6.25% of what it was at the surface. Moving from 4r to 8r gets you down to about 1.56% of surface gravity.
What is your level of education?gary350 said:I don't under stand r ?
Is r radius of Earth about 4000 miles, and 2r about 8000 miles?
phinds said:What is your level of education?
Yes, you could take it to be the radius of the earth. In fact it represents the radius of any planet. We could say that at distance 8r from the center of planet the force of gravity is only 1.56% of what is at the surface of that planet(at distance r that is).gary350 said:I don't under stand r ?
Is r radius of Earth about 4000 miles, and 2r about 8000 miles?
Delta2 said:Yes, you could take it to be the radius of the earth. In fact it represents the radius of any planet. We could say that at distance 8r from the center of planet the force of gravity is only 1.56% of what is at the surface of that planet(at distance r that is).
Your math may or may not be correct, but your grammar is not. It falls off quicklyDrakkith said:That's only 0.000265 g's. Gravity falls off quick.
(assuming my math is correct)
falls of ?phinds said:Your math may or may not be correct, but your grammar is not. It falls of quickly
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gary350 said:r at Earth surface has a certain amount of gravity how do we know if Earth surface is r2 or r4 of r8?
”It falls off quickly.”phinds said:It falls of quickly
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The equation for gravitational force isgary350 said:OH. r from center of earth. r = about 4000 miles at Earth surface. I should have take more physics classes to under stand this. r at Earth surface has a certain amount of gravity how do we know if Earth surface is r2 or r4 of r8?
Damn. Busted.Dale said:”It falls off quickly.”
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gary350 said:I have an idea that a rocket engine can gradually throttle down at the same rate that gravity degreases and maintain the same speed because at a certain elevation there is no atmosphere and no wind resistance.
Why on Earth would you think that Germany had no knowledge of rockets in 1930?gary350 said:In 1930 it is interesting Germany knew with no knowledge of rockets that a rocket would coast 70 more miles up after engine was off.
gary350 said:I think I answered my own question.
gary350 said:It is very interesting to me German engineers could calculate where the rocket would land, how was it possible to know things like gravity & drag 80 miles up no one had ever been there?
phinds said:Why on Earth would you think that Germany had no knowledge of rockets in 1930?
Goddard was launching rockets several years before that and Germans were great Admirers (and students) of his technology.
EDIT: Hm ... just checked some of that and while I was right on both counts, I was wrong on the timing. Goddard did LAUNCH well before 1930 but he was secretive and didn't publish until the mid-30's, AFTER which the Germans were admirers of his technology.
Drakkith said:The fundamentals of rocket propulsion had been worked out by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky by 1903. The fundamentals of gravity and of objects in free fall under gravity had been known for several centuries prior to that.
Both the Merlin and the Raptor engines have centrifugal pumps for propellants. They additionally pressurize the tanks not always with helium. I have no idea what you are talking about 1/4 throttle.gary350 said:Space X rockets have no fuel pump. They use 300 psi helium to pressurize the liquid methane & liquid oxygen. SpaceX engines run about 1/4 throttle compared to German technology.
Information online says, engines are throttled up starting at about 1/4 throttle. Once every thing is go engine throttle up more than rocket takes off but still not full throttle for several seconds. I only found information that side tanks are pressurized with helium. I believe they were talking about the new 8 meter diameter rocket bodies. The older rocket bodies were 5 meters diameter. So maybe some are different or maybe the new ones are different. I might need to check that information out again.hutchphd said:Just to clean up a few facts (these days why bother?) but
Both the Merlin and the Raptor engines have centrifugal pumps for propellants. They additionally pressurize the tanks not always with helium. I have no idea what you are talking about 1/4 throttle.
jbriggs444 said:Normally this is done to avoid excessive speed where the atmosphere is most dense. Excessive speed is bad because 1. it wastes energy and 2. it batters the craft.
Once the craft is into regions where the air is less dense, the engines are throttled up. Ignoring the atmosphere, launch efficiency is greatest for a given delta-v when you burn your fuel fast -- giving gravity less time to reduce your velocity. [In the limit you get zero efficiency if you sit there hovering on your engines].
Oh that was a fun game. Any timidity waiting for the right moment led to crashes; lots and lots of crashes.jbriggs444 said:I played lunar lander in high school in the 70's. A perfect landing is the mirror image of an ideal take-off. You wait until the last moment, go full thrust and hope you got it right.
This is also why they tip over as soon as they can get out of the atmosphere. The important thing is to get to the right speed, and that works better the more you go sideways and the less you go up.jbriggs444 said:launch efficiency is greatest for a given delta-v when you burn your fuel fast -- giving gravity less time to reduce your velocity. [In the limit you get zero efficiency if you sit there hovering on your engines].
gary350 said:Space X rockets have no fuel pump. They use 300 psi helium to pressurize the liquid methane & liquid oxygen. SpaceX engines run about 1/4 throttle compared to German technology.
This is a strange combination of different rocket engines and rockets.I believe they were talking about the new 8 meter diameter rocket bodies. The older rocket bodies were 5 meters diameter.
Rocket engines are irrelevant for that. You only need the velocity and the height when the thrust stops. How the rocket got there doesn't matter.I am trying to understand when fuel runs out how far can a rocket coast with no engine thrust before it reaches maximum distance from earth.
Of course they knew. They even had experimental data from 400,000 km up - from the Moon.In 1930 it is interesting Germany knew with no knowledge of rockets that a rocket would coast 70 more miles up after engine was off. The law of motion probably let then calculate distance assuming they knew the value of gravity at 120 miles up.
It's not very notable, but typically rockets start that as soon as they clear the launch pad. Thrust goes in the (now slightly tilted) direction of the rocket, gravity goes downwards, so over time the trajectory gets flatter on its own while the rocket always flies and fires along its length to minimize aerodynamic forces.Dale said:This is also why they tip over as soon as they can get out of the atmosphere. The important thing is to get to the right speed, and that works better the more you go sideways and the less you go up.
This is an interesting idea, but what would this buy you. Why would you want to throttle down to maintain constant speed. In your diagram of the V-2 flight (very informative, by the way), there is an event called "jet switched off at correct range velocity combination.gary350 said:I have an idea that a rocket engine can gradually throttle down at the same rate that gravity degreases and maintain the same speed because at a certain elevation there is no atmosphere and no wind resistance.
The rate at which gravity decreases as we move away from the Earth follows the inverse-square law. This means that as the distance between two objects increases, the force of gravity between them decreases at a rate proportional to the square of the distance.
No, gravity does not decrease at a constant rate. As we move away from the Earth, the rate at which gravity decreases also changes. This is because the Earth's mass is not evenly distributed, and the gravitational force is affected by the mass of other objects in the universe.
As we move further away from the Earth's surface, the strength of gravity decreases. This is because the Earth's mass is concentrated at its center, so the gravitational force is strongest at the surface and decreases as we move away from it.
No, the rate at which gravity decreases on other planets is not the same as on Earth. The strength of gravity depends on the mass and size of the planet, so it will vary from planet to planet.
No, gravity does not completely disappear at any point. The force of gravity extends infinitely, but it becomes weaker as the distance between objects increases. However, at a certain distance, the force of gravity may become too weak to have any noticeable effect on objects.