Diffusion Ques: Unintuitive Concentration Change Over Time?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the diffusion equation and its prediction that the concentration of gas particles in a box does not change over time if they are uniformly distributed in the y and z directions and linearly distributed in the x direction. The speakers also discuss the boundary conditions and how they affect the solution, leading to the conclusion that the concentration will approach a constant value at long times.
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If the gas particles in a box are uniformly distributed in the y and z directions, and linearly distributed in the x direction, is it true that the concentration won't change with time, according to the diffusion equation? I find this very unintuitive.
 
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Me too. Can you go through the steps to show why you think the diffusion equation predicts that?
 
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[tex]
\frac{dc}{dt} = D \frac{d^2c}{dx^2}
[/tex].

If c(x,0) = 2-x, then

[tex]
\frac{d^2c}{dx^2}=0
[/tex]

and consequently

[tex]
\frac{dc}{dt}=0
[/tex]

That is, the concentration does not change with time.
 
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Setting

[tex]\frac{\partial^2c}{\partial x^2}=0[/tex]

for nonzero times means that you're replacing diffusing particles with new particles to keep [itex]c=2[/itex] at [itex]x=0[/itex], and you're removing all the particles at [itex]x=2[/itex] to keep [itex]c=0[/itex]. In other words, you're maintaining the linear relationship.

For a constant amount of the diffusing species, try solving the equation for the boundary conditions

[tex]c(x,0)=2-x[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial c(0,t)}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial c(2,t)}{\partial x}=0[/tex]

which implies impermeable boundaries. You'll find that at long times the solution approaches [itex]c=1[/itex] everywhere. Make sense?
 

Related to Diffusion Ques: Unintuitive Concentration Change Over Time?

1. How does diffusion work?

Diffusion is the process by which molecules or particles move from an area of higher concentration to an area of lower concentration. This happens because molecules are in constant motion and tend to spread out evenly in a given space.

2. What factors affect the rate of diffusion?

The rate of diffusion is affected by several factors including temperature, molecular size, and the concentration gradient. Higher temperatures and smaller molecules generally lead to faster diffusion, while a larger concentration gradient (difference in concentration between two areas) also increases the rate of diffusion.

3. Why do some substances diffuse faster than others?

The rate of diffusion is dependent on the molecular size and weight of the substance. Smaller and lighter molecules can move more quickly and therefore diffuse faster compared to larger and heavier molecules.

4. Can diffusion occur in both gases and liquids?

Yes, diffusion can occur in both gases and liquids. In gases, diffusion is much faster due to the increased space between molecules, while in liquids, diffusion is slower due to the closer proximity of molecules.

5. How does diffusion lead to concentration change over time?

Diffusion leads to concentration change over time because as molecules move from an area of higher concentration to an area of lower concentration, the overall concentration in the area decreases. This continues until the concentration is equal throughout the entire space.

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