Difficulties with derivative of a vector [Landau Textbook]

In summary, the conversation discusses the process of computing a pass from 1 to 106.15, involving the derivative of a function with respect to time and coordinates. The equation 106.15 is found by rearranging the terms and using certain conditions. The conversation also delves into the calculus behind the process and provides a final equation for the spatial and time dependence of the function. The conversation ends with a thank you and a clarification on the use of the notation ##n_{a \alpha}##.
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Hi guys, I'm having trouble computing a pass 1 to 106.15. It's in the pictures.

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So, what a have to do is the derivative of ##f## with respect to time and coordinates. Then I need to rearrange the terms to find the equation 106.15. I am using the following conditions. ##r## vector varies in space and the vector ##r_a## varies in time.

I did that:
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This calculus is from. (Section 106)
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The spatial dependence of ##f## is in the argument ##\mathbf{r}##, whilst the time dependence is in the source positions ##\mathbf{r}_a##\begin{align*}
\partial_{\alpha} |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| &= \frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} = n_{a \alpha}

\end{align*}Then taking the time derivative\begin{align*}
\partial_t \partial_{\alpha} |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| = \partial_t \left( \frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) &= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + (x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}) \partial_t \left( \frac{1}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) \\

&= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + \frac{-(x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha})}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|^2} \left( \frac{(\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a) \cdot (-\mathbf{v}_a )}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) \\

&= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + \frac{n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|}

\end{align*}Hence if ##f = -(k/2) \sum_a m_a |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a |##, then\begin{align*}

\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial t \partial x^a} &= \frac{k}{2} \sum_a m_a \left[ \frac{v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right]\end{align*}and consequently\begin{align*}
h_{0 \alpha} &= \frac{8k}{2c^3} \sum_a \frac{m_a v_{a\alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{k}{2c^3} \sum_a \left[ \frac{m_av_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{m_a n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right] \\

&= \frac{k}{2c^3} \sum_a \frac{m_a}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \left[ 7v_{a \alpha} + n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a ) \right]\end{align*}
 
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The spatial dependence of ##f## is in the argument ##\mathbf{r}##, whilst the time dependence is in the source positions ##\mathbf{r}_a##\begin{align*}
\partial_{\alpha} |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| &= \frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} = n_{a \alpha}

\end{align*}Then taking the time derivative\begin{align*}
\partial_t \partial_{\alpha} |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| = \partial_t \left( \frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) &= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + (x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}) \partial_t \left( \frac{1}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) \\

&= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + \frac{-(x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha})}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|^2} \left( \frac{(\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a) \cdot (-\mathbf{v}_a )}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right) \\

&= \frac{-v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} + \frac{n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|}

\end{align*}Hence if ##f = -(k/2) \sum_a m_a |\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a |##, then\begin{align*}

\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial t \partial x^a} &= \frac{k}{2} \sum_a m_a \left[ \frac{v_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right]\end{align*}and consequently\begin{align*}
h_{0 \alpha} &= \frac{8k}{2c^3} \sum_a \frac{m_a v_{a\alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{k}{2c^3} \sum_a \left[ \frac{m_av_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} - \frac{m_a n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a)}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \right] \\

&= \frac{k}{2c^3} \sum_a \frac{m_a}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|} \left[ 7v_{a \alpha} + n_{a \alpha} (\mathbf{n}_a \cdot \mathbf{v}_a ) \right]\end{align*}
Thx man, I'll take a time to understand and check it. Thank you a lot.

EDIT: I checked it and everything is fine and i could undestand the whole explanation, except for one little thing. What u were considering to write it '##n_{a \alpha}##'. It is the modul of the unit vector, or it is just a simplifyed notation to write ##\frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|}## ?
 
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GrimGuy said:
EDIT: I checked it and everything is fine and i could undestand the whole explanation, except for one little thing. What u were considering to write it '##n_{a \alpha}##'. It is the modul of the unit vector, or it is just a simplifyed notation to write ##\frac{x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha}}{|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|}## ?
Not the modulus, it's the second option: the ##\alpha## component of the vector ##\mathbf{n}_a := (\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a)/|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|##, as L&L define below the bit you posted. So ##n_{a \alpha} := (\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a)_{\alpha}/|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a| = (x_{\alpha} - x_{a \alpha})/|\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_a|##

I'll admit it's a slightly confusing notation on the authors' part, using ##a## to enumerate the different sources and ##\alpha## to denote vector components 😜
 
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