Differences in grounding and returning a circuit?

In summary, wiring a circuit with off road lights requires a potential difference to create a current. The frame is used to reduce the amount of wiring needed for the return path.
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Gresham Conway
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So I just got finished with my second physics course (electricity and magnetism) and from what I learned about circuits, to complete a circuit there must be a potential difference to create a current. I just wired up some new off road lights on my vehicle, and when wiring, I ran a wire from the positive terminal of my battery to each light, but had a ground wire on each that I just bolted up to the frame (no return wire to the battery). Can someone explain to me how this works? Do the electrons flow through the battery, through the lights to the frame, and eventually to Earth where the potential is 0, thus creating a potential difference? Why don't I have to run a return wire? What exactly is the difference between a ground and a negative terminal on a battery?
 
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In circuits where there is a ground symbol, that point is considered to be at reference 0 potential. It need not be actual "ground" or "earth". As per my understanding, negative terminal of the battery should also be connected to the metal frame in order to draw current. Metal frame reduces wiring for return path of the current. Whatever you described, if it is working without the -ve terminal of the battery, then I'm afraid I haven't understood the situation and something else is happening here.
 
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Gresham Conway said:
Do the electrons flow through the battery, through the lights to the frame, and eventually to Earth where the potential is 0, thus creating a potential difference?
In vehicles, the frame is generally used for the return current path for convenience and to lower the amount of wiring. The vehicle is "floating" on insulating tires, so there is no Earth ground involved in the circuit.

BTW, remember that the direction of the flow of electrons is opposite of the direction of what we refer to as the "current". :smile:
 
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An Earth ground is added or required when there is a possibility of a short circuit that may energize some part of the device that can expose the operator to a dangerously high voltage. In such a situation the current is shunted directly to ground through a low resistance path as opposed to through the operator.
 
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cnh1995 said:
Metal frame reduces wiring for return path of the current.
When a vehicle gets old, there can be corrosion in the metal seams. This can produce resistance in the Earth return path. Devices that take heavy current will suffer because of the consequent voltage drops. In particular, the starter motor nearly always has its own return path, via the engine block and a heavy cable, directly to the battery negative terminal. When the starter takes hundreds of Amps (say 500A), even a comparatively low path resistance (0.01Ω) can reduce the volts delivered by 5V. Earth return is not always appropriate.
 
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Thanks guys, that definitely makes sense. I actually talked to my dad, who is an electrician, after I posted this, and he told me that the negative terminal was actually connected to the frame. I didn't know that, so I was confused as to how the circuit was completed. It seemed pretty unlikely to me that pretty much any bolt on the car was part of the circuit, but I guess everything is connected in one way or another.
 

Related to Differences in grounding and returning a circuit?

1. What is the purpose of grounding and returning a circuit?

Grounding and returning a circuit is essential for electrical safety. It helps to protect people and equipment from the dangers of electric shock, and also ensures the proper functioning of the circuit.

2. What is the difference between grounding and returning a circuit?

Grounding involves connecting a circuit to the earth or a large conductive body to create a reference point for electrical potential. Returning a circuit involves completing the path for current flow back to the power source.

3. Is grounding and returning a circuit necessary for all electrical systems?

Yes, grounding and returning a circuit is necessary for all electrical systems. It is a fundamental safety measure that is required by electrical codes and standards.

4. Can a circuit be grounded without being returned?

No, a circuit cannot be grounded without being returned. Grounding and returning are complementary processes that work together to ensure safe and efficient operation of the circuit.

5. What are the potential consequences of not properly grounding and returning a circuit?

Not properly grounding and returning a circuit can lead to electric shock, equipment damage, and even fires. It can also cause disruptions in the circuit's function and affect the performance of other electronic devices.

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