Deriving Vr and V(sub-theta) from Kepler's second law and

In summary, from the given equation for r and Kepler's second law, we can derive general expressions for vr and v\theta for a mass m1 in an elliptical orbit around a second mass m2. These expressions will be functions of P, e, a, and \theta only. To begin, we can use the fact that we are given information about position and are asked to find velocity, which suggests that we may need to use the equations for derivatives.
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Deriving Vr and V(sub-theta) from Kepler's second law and...

Homework Statement



Beginning with r=[a(1-e2)]/(1+e*cos [tex]\theta[/tex]) and Kepler's second law, derive general expressions for vr and v[tex]\theta[/tex] for a mass m1 in an elliptical orbit about a second mass m2. The final answers should be functions of P, e, a, and [tex]\theta[/tex] only.

P=orbital period
e=eccentricity
a=semimajor axis

That's supposed to be v(subtheta) and cosine of theta!

Homework Equations



A'(t)=L/(2*[tex]\mu[/tex])
 
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[itex]v_\theta[/itex], understood. What have you done so far and where exactly did you get stuck?
 
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Not far at all. I don't even know where to begin. If you do, then please start me off. Thanks!
 
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Well, here would be my first thought: you have some information about position, and you are asked to find velocity. What does that tell you?
 
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= constant
L = angular momentum = r x p = mvr

The Attempt at a Solution

To derive vr and v\theta, we will use the following steps:

1. Start with Kepler's second law, which states that the area swept out by the radius vector r in a given time is constant. This can be written as:

dA/dt = (1/2)r^2 d\theta/dt = constant

2. From the given expression for r, we can rewrite it as:

r = a(1-e^2)/(1+e*cos \theta)

3. Taking the derivative of r with respect to time, we get:

dr/dt = a*e*sin\theta * d\theta/dt

4. Substituting this into the equation for dA/dt, we get:

dA/dt = (1/2) * (a(1-e^2)/(1+e*cos \theta))^2 * a*e*sin\theta * d\theta/dt

5. Simplifying and rearranging, we get:

dA/dt = (1/2) * a^2 * (1-e^2)^2 * e * sin\theta * d\theta/dt

6. Using the fact that A'(t) = L/(2*\mu) = constant, we can rewrite the above equation as:

L/(2*\mu) = (1/2) * a^2 * (1-e^2)^2 * e * sin\theta * d\theta/dt

7. Solving for d\theta/dt, we get:

d\theta/dt = (L/(2*\mu)) * (2/(a^2 * (1-e^2)^2 * e * sin\theta))

8. Now, we can use the expression for angular momentum, L = mvr, to rewrite the above equation as:

d\theta/dt = (mvr/(2*\mu)) * (2/(a^2 * (1-e^2)^2 * e * sin\theta))

9. Finally, we can substitute this expression for d\theta/dt into our original expression for dr/dt to get:

dr/dt = (mvr/(2*\mu)) * (2/(a^2 * (1-e^2)^2 * e * sin\theta)) * a*e*sin\theta

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Related to Deriving Vr and V(sub-theta) from Kepler's second law and

1. How do you derive Vr and V(sub-theta) from Kepler's second law?

To derive Vr and V(sub-theta) from Kepler's second law, we use the equation Vr = dA/dt and V(sub-theta) = r*d(theta)/dt, where dA is the change in area swept out by the radius vector in a given time, r is the distance from the object to the focus, and d(theta) is the change in angle covered by the radius vector in a given time. These equations are based on the fact that Kepler's second law states that the area swept out by the radius vector in a given time is constant.

2. What is the significance of deriving Vr and V(sub-theta) from Kepler's second law?

Deriving Vr and V(sub-theta) from Kepler's second law allows us to calculate the velocity of an object in polar coordinates, which is useful in understanding the motion of objects in elliptical orbits. It also helps us to better understand the relationship between the area swept out by the radius vector and the velocity of an object.

3. How does Kepler's second law relate to the conservation of angular momentum?

Kepler's second law is closely related to the conservation of angular momentum, which states that the total angular momentum of a system remains constant unless acted upon by an external torque. This is because the area swept out by the radius vector, and therefore the velocity of the object, is directly proportional to its angular momentum. As the area swept out by the radius vector is constant in an elliptical orbit, the angular momentum of the object remains constant as well.

4. Can Vr and V(sub-theta) be used to calculate the eccentricity of an orbit?

Yes, Vr and V(sub-theta) can be used to calculate the eccentricity of an orbit. The eccentricity is defined as the ratio of the distance between the foci of an ellipse to the length of its major axis. By using the equation V(sub-theta) = r*d(theta)/dt, we can calculate the distance from the object to the focus, and thus determine the eccentricity of the orbit.

5. How does the distance from the object to the focus affect the values of Vr and V(sub-theta)?

The distance from the object to the focus affects the values of Vr and V(sub-theta) because they are inversely proportional to each other. This means that as the distance from the object to the focus increases, Vr decreases and V(sub-theta) increases. This relationship is consistent with Kepler's second law, as the area swept out by the radius vector is constant, regardless of the distance from the object to the focus.

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