Derivation of the Noether current - Lorentz Transformation

In summary: This is just a specific example of what the book is doing, but the point is the same. The book is showing that there is a conserved quantity that you can associate with each possible choice of ##\mu## and ##\nu##.
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We make an infinitesimal Lorentz transformation of the Lagrangian and require it to be invariant. We then arrive at the following expression.

$$\epsilon^{\mu\nu}j_{\mu\nu} = P_{\mu}\epsilon^{\mu\nu}X_{\nu}$$ which can be written as

$$\epsilon^{\mu\nu}j_{\mu\nu} = -\frac{1}{2}\epsilon^{\mu\nu}(X_{\mu}P_{\nu}-P_{\nu}X_{\mu})$$

The left hand side is anti symmetric since ##\epsilon^{\mu\nu}## is anti symmetric matrix. Next in the derivation the book says that we can cancel ##\epsilon^{\mu\nu}## on both sides of the equation. And we get

$$j_{\mu\nu} = -\frac{1}{2}(X_{\mu}P_{\nu}-P_{\nu}X_{\mu})$$

But I don't understand why. How can we cancel ##\epsilon^{\mu\nu}## when we are summing over it's indices on both sides?
 
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You can't. Your j, as it stands there contracted with the epsilon symbol, is only determined up to a symmetric 2-tensor. Since I don't know which book you use, I can't comment on its details or intentions.
 
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haushofer said:
You can't. Your j, as it stands there contracted with the epsilon symbol, is only determined up to a symmetric 2-tensor. Since I don't know which book you use, I can't comment on its details or intentions.

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It's from "A first course in string theory by Barton Zwieback"
 

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The issue of "cancelling off" ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}## is this:

If you have two antisymmetric tensors ##A_{\mu \nu}## and ##B_{\mu \nu}##, and for every possibly tensor ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}##,

##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} A_{\mu \nu} = \epsilon^{\mu \nu} B_{\mu \nu}##

then it must be that

##A_{\mu \nu} = B_{\mu \nu}##

This is easy enough to prove. Pick two indices, ##\alpha## and ##\beta##, and let ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}## be defined as follows:
  • If ##\mu = \alpha## and ##\nu = \beta##, then ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} = 1##
  • If ##\mu = \beta## and ##\nu = \alpha##, then ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} = -1##
  • For all other values of ##\mu## and ##\nu##, ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} = 0##
Then in that case,

##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} A_{\mu \nu} = A_{\alpha \beta} - A_{\beta \alpha} = 2 A_{\alpha \beta}##
##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} B_{\mu \nu} = 2 B_{\alpha \beta}##

So ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} A_{\mu \nu} = \epsilon^{\mu \nu} B_{\mu \nu}## implies that

##A_{\alpha \beta} = B_{\alpha \beta}##
 
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stevendaryl said:
The issue of "cancelling off" ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}## is this:

If you have two antisymmetric tensors ##A_{\mu \nu}## and ##B_{\mu \nu}##, and for every possibly tensor ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}##,

##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} A_{\mu \nu} = \epsilon^{\mu \nu} B_{\mu \nu}##

then it must be that

##A_{\mu \nu} = B_{\mu \nu}##

This is easy enough to prove. Pick two indices, ##\alpha## and ##\beta##, and let ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}## be defined as follows:
  • If ##\mu = \alpha## and ##\nu = \beta##, then ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} = 1##
  • If ##\mu = \beta## and ##\nu = \alpha##, then ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} = -1##
  • For all other values of ##\mu## and ##\nu##, ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} = 0##
Then in that case,

##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} A_{\mu \nu} = A_{\alpha \beta} - A_{\beta \alpha} = 2 A_{\alpha \beta}##
##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} B_{\mu \nu} = 2 B_{\alpha \beta}##

So ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} A_{\mu \nu} = \epsilon^{\mu \nu} B_{\mu \nu}## implies that

##A_{\alpha \beta} = B_{\alpha \beta}##

I don't understand. It is simply not true that ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} = +-1## in general. Why do you make that assumption? ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}## have 6 independent parameters.
 
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oh wait, is it because ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}## for fixed indices define an independent parameter so that we can wary each individual parameter by itself and equality should still hold? Like what you do when you equate the coordinates between two vectors if you know that A=B. But in this case, we have a sum of scalars on both sides, but it is a sum in terms of independent parameters, so maybe we must equate terms that have the same parameter?
 
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Higgsono said:
I don't understand. It is simply not true that ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} = +-1## in general. Why do you make that assumption? ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}## have 6 independent parameters.

If the equation ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu} A_{\mu \nu} = \epsilon^{\mu \nu} B_{\mu \nu}## is true for EVERY value of ##\epsilon^{\mu \nu}##, then it must be true for the special case that I gave.
 
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Maybe it would be more obvious if instead of dealing with an abstract index ##\mu \nu##, we picked specific indices.

Noether's theorem tells us that if ##\mathcal L## is left unchanged by the variation ##x^\mu \rightarrow x^\mu + \delta x^\mu##, then the quantity

##\frac{\partial \mathcal L}{\partial \dot{x}^\mu} \delta x^\mu##

is a constant of the motion. Which can be rewritten as:

##P_\mu \delta x^\mu##

So let's look at the specific case where:

##\delta x^0 = \epsilon x_1##
##\delta x^1 = - \epsilon x_0##

and ##\delta x^\mu = 0## for ##\mu = 2## or ##3##.

then the conserved quantity is:
##P_\mu \delta x^\mu##
##= P_0 \delta x^0+ P_1 \delta x^1##
##= P_0 \epsilon x_1 - P_1 \epsilon x_0##

So we come to the conclusion that ##\epsilon (P_0 x_1 - P_1 x_0)## is conserved. Dividing through by ##\epsilon##, we come to the conclusion that:

##P_0 x_1 - P_1 x_0##

is a conserved quantity.

If instead, we had chosen a variation with ##\delta x^0 = \epsilon x_2## and ##\delta x^2 = -\epsilon x_0##, then we would come to the conclusion that

##P_0 x_2 - P_2 x_0##

We can reason, for all 6 possibilities for ##\mu## and ##\nu## that

##P_\mu x_\nu - P_\nu x_\mu##

is a conserved quantity.
 
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Related to Derivation of the Noether current - Lorentz Transformation

1. What is the Noether current?

The Noether current is a mathematical quantity that is conserved in a physical system when there is a symmetry present. It is named after mathematician Emmy Noether and is an important concept in theoretical physics.

2. What is the significance of the Lorentz transformation in the derivation of the Noether current?

The Lorentz transformation is a mathematical equation that describes how physical quantities, such as space and time, change when viewed from different reference frames. It is significant in the derivation of the Noether current because it is a fundamental symmetry in the theory of relativity, and thus plays a crucial role in determining the conserved quantities in a physical system.

3. How is the Noether current derived from the Lorentz transformation?

The Noether current is derived using the principle of least action, which states that the path taken by a physical system between two points is the one that minimizes the action (a measure of the system's energy) along that path. By applying this principle to the Lorentz transformation, the Noether current can be calculated and shown to be conserved.

4. What are some applications of the Noether current and Lorentz transformation in physics?

The Noether current and Lorentz transformation have numerous applications in physics, including in the fields of quantum mechanics, general relativity, and particle physics. They are used to study and understand the behavior of fundamental particles, the nature of space and time, and the structure of the universe.

5. Are there any limitations or assumptions in the derivation of the Noether current using the Lorentz transformation?

Like any mathematical model, the derivation of the Noether current using the Lorentz transformation is based on certain assumptions and has limitations. For example, it assumes that the physical system is in a state of equilibrium and that the symmetry is continuous. Additionally, it may not be applicable in certain extreme cases, such as at the quantum level or in the presence of strong gravitational fields.

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