De Broglie Waves: Exploring Probability & Wave Nature of Particles

In summary, the De Broglie waves are a mathematical tool that describes the probability of a particle to be in a certain place.
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I have a hard time understanding some very fundamental things about matter waves. To start with, the basic question is what are these De Broglie waves? Is it just a pure mathematical concept that describes probability of the particle to be in a certain place or is it some property of space? As I understand, there is no really a disturbance traveling in the medium around the particle - the De Broglie wave has only a probabilistic nature. But for example, in electromagnetism we have the electromagnetic waves which are propagating disturbances in an electric/magnetic field. At the same time, they are also describing the probability of a photon to be in a certain place. So is this a coincidence that electromagnetic waves happen to be both real physical disturbances and at the same time a "tool" that tells you the probability of photon to be in certain point in space? Are the De Broglie waves essentially the same, except that they aren't physically present (again, pure mathematical tool)?

One more thing - often as an example of the wave nature of particles (say, electrons), books come up with some diffraction experiment. And I'm okay with that. However, in Bohr model of the atom, one way to prove the quantization of angular momentum is by showing that instead of electron orbit we have a standing wave. Thus, 3 questions arise:

1) There is no diffraction when electron orbits around the atom (i guess). It's like there is no diffraction when you turn on laser and just see a straight beam of photons moving. In order to see the wave properties, you have to do some sort of diffraction/interference experiment. Then why we are allowed to say that an electron behaves like a wave even when it orbits the atom?

2) Does it imply that an electron behaves like a wave no matter whether it goes through slit or no? So, in general we never can know the precise location of the electron? Even if we fire it in a very precise direction (no atoms involved)?

3) Do these "orbit-waves" describe the probability of an electron to be in certain place in the orbit or do they describe the probability of an electron to be in a certain orbit?
 
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SplinterCell said:
I have a hard time understanding some very fundamental things about matter waves. To start with, the basic question is what are these De Broglie waves?

De Broglie waves is a dead theory long ago replaced by Quantum Mechanics. Forget it and learn QM.

For that purpose, and as reference to later comments check out:
http://www.scottaaronson.com/democritus/lec9.html

SplinterCell said:
Is it just a pure mathematical concept that describes probability of the particle to be in a certain place or is it some property of space?

Its an extension of probability theory as explained in the link above.

SplinterCell said:
As I understand, there is no really a disturbance traveling in the medium around the particle

There is no medium - simply a probability of finding a particle somewhere.

Thanks
Bill
 

Related to De Broglie Waves: Exploring Probability & Wave Nature of Particles

1. What are De Broglie waves?

De Broglie waves are a concept in quantum mechanics that describes the wave-like behavior of particles, such as electrons and photons. They were proposed by physicist Louis de Broglie in the 1920s and are based on the idea that all particles have both wave-like and particle-like properties.

2. How are De Broglie waves related to the probability of particles?

De Broglie waves are directly related to the probability of particles. The wavelength of the De Broglie wave corresponds to the probability of finding a particle at a specific location. This means that the probability of finding a particle at a certain point is higher when the De Broglie wave has a shorter wavelength and lower when the wavelength is longer.

3. How do De Broglie waves demonstrate the wave nature of particles?

De Broglie waves demonstrate the wave nature of particles by showing that particles can exhibit wave-like properties, such as interference and diffraction. This means that particles can behave like waves and can also be described by a wave function, which represents the probability of finding the particle at a certain location.

4. Can De Broglie waves be observed?

No, De Broglie waves cannot be directly observed. They are a mathematical concept used to explain the behavior of particles in quantum mechanics. However, their effects can be observed through experiments, such as the double-slit experiment, which demonstrates the wave-like behavior of particles.

5. How do De Broglie waves relate to the uncertainty principle?

De Broglie waves are closely related to the uncertainty principle, which states that it is impossible to know both the exact position and momentum of a particle at the same time. This is because the wave-like nature of particles means that their position and momentum are constantly changing and cannot be precisely measured at any given moment.

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