Could someone explain Luders Rule?

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In summary, Hughes provides an account of conditional probability in QM which is used to explain the two-slit experiment and the EPR (singlet state) situation. He argues that the Luders rule has many useful consequences in terms of explaining the "causal anomalies" of QM.
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I'm reading The Structure and Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics by Hughes. He has a chapter where he develops an account of conditional probability in QM which he uses to explain the two-slit experiment and the EPR (singlet state) situation. Basically the idea is that this conditional probability function allows for talk of conditional probability in situations where the logic in non-Boolean (i.e. incompatible observables). Conditional probability is the probability of event A given that event B occurs. The rule he gives is in terms of density operators in Hilbert space and he refers to it as Luders rule (with umlauts over the u).

Anyway he argues that the rule has many very useful consequences in terms of explaining the "causal anomalies" of QM. I would really like to understand what this rule is really saying in practical terms (i.e. not just the math). Any help appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Let's say you have a system which is comprised of a mixture of states. The way you describe this system is via a density matrix, which tells you how much of each state you have in the total system.

Now, if you measure some observable S, as a result, you will have one of the eigenstates si of the operator S, right? The Lüder's rule is telling you how the density matrix changes after this measurement. This matrix is not simply |si><si| as one might expect because the states building up the total system before the measurement need not be orthogonal, so more than one state can contribute to the result si.
 
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1. What is Luders Rule?

Luders Rule, also known as the Luders Banding Phenomenon, is a phenomenon observed in certain materials, particularly metals, when they are subjected to tensile stress. It refers to the appearance of localized bands or stripes on the surface of the material, which can affect its overall strength and ductility.

2. How does Luders Rule occur?

Luders Rule occurs due to the interaction between the crystal structure of the material and the applied stress. When a material undergoes plastic deformation, the atoms within its crystal lattice shift and rearrange themselves, causing localized areas of strain. This strain can lead to the formation of the bands seen in Luders Rule.

3. What are the implications of Luders Rule?

The presence of Luders bands can significantly affect the mechanical properties of a material, such as its yield and ultimate strength, as well as its ductility. This can have important implications for the design and structural integrity of components made from these materials, as well as in failure analysis and quality control.

4. Can Luders Rule be prevented?

While it is not possible to completely prevent Luders bands from forming, there are certain measures that can be taken to minimize their impact. These include controlling the microstructure and texture of the material, as well as using specific heat treatments and deformation techniques.

5. Is Luders Rule a common occurrence?

Luders bands can occur in a variety of materials, including steels, aluminum alloys, and titanium alloys, among others. However, their occurrence and severity can vary greatly depending on factors such as the type of material, its processing history, and the applied stress. Therefore, it is not always a common occurrence, but it is important for scientists and engineers to be aware of its potential effects.

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