Conservation of energy in general relativity & non-existence of PMMs

In summary, the conversation discusses the validity of the law of conservation of energy in the general theory of relativity and its implications for creating perpetual motion machines. The question of whether general relativity can be used to create PMMs arises and is addressed by the issue of defining "total energy" in the context of GR. The speaker doubts that this mathematical problem can be manipulated to generate perpetual motion.
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sshai45
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Hi.

I saw this:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/35431/is-the-law-of-conservation-of-energy-still-valid

The energy conservation becomes vacuous or invalid in the general theory of relativity and especially in cosmology.

Now, if that's the case, then I wonder about a related question: can general relativity be used to create perpetual motion machines? If not, then why not (i.e. how does energy conservation break down in such a way that the impossibility of PMMs is maintained)? If it can, then what would they look like?
 
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A law of energy conservation would need a proper way to define "the total energy at some point in time" - but in GR, there is no global "point in time" at all - and there is no clear way to define "the total energy" either. I doubt that you can use those mathematical issues to generate perpetual motion.
 

Related to Conservation of energy in general relativity & non-existence of PMMs

1. What is conservation of energy in general relativity?

Conservation of energy in general relativity is the principle that states energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can only be transformed from one form to another. This principle applies to all physical systems, including those described by Einstein's theory of general relativity.

2. How does general relativity explain the non-existence of perpetual motion machines (PMMs)?

In general relativity, space and time are intertwined and affected by the presence of matter and energy. This means that any attempt to create a perpetual motion machine, which would require a continuous supply of energy without any external input, would violate the principle of conservation of energy. The equations of general relativity do not allow for the existence of PMMs.

3. Can general relativity be used to disprove the existence of PMMs?

No, general relativity cannot definitively prove the non-existence of PMMs. However, the equations of general relativity have been extensively tested and have not shown any evidence of PMMs or any violation of the principle of conservation of energy.

4. Are there any exceptions to the principle of conservation of energy in general relativity?

There are no known exceptions to the principle of conservation of energy in general relativity. However, there are some scenarios, such as the expansion of the universe, where the total energy of a system may appear to increase or decrease due to the changing effects of gravity.

5. How does the conservation of energy in general relativity relate to the laws of thermodynamics?

The principle of conservation of energy in general relativity is closely related to the first law of thermodynamics, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Both principles are fundamental to understanding the behavior of physical systems and are supported by extensive experimental evidence.

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