Comparing Sidereal & Synodic Reference Frames

In summary, the website features an animation that explains the difference between sidereal and synodic reference frames. The animation assumes a circular orbit for simplicity, but even if the actual eccentricity of the Moon's orbit is taken into account, the variation is small enough to still use the average synodic period to determine the timing of new moons and full moons. It is likely that the animation used a circular orbit instead of the Moon's actual orbit for accuracy.
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This website has an animation that shows the difference between sidereal reference frames and synodic.
http://www.sumanasinc.com/webcontent/animations/content/sidereal.html

The motion of the moon is circular about the earth, yet apparently the moon has an apogee length that is 50,000 km further away from Earth than its perigee length.

In this animation have they just assumed a circular orbit for simplicity? How would it look if they didn't make this assumption?
 
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Very similar. The animation is just illustrating the concept to explain why sidereal and synodic periods are different. I don't think anything is drawn to scale.

The eccentricity of the Moon's orbit is 0.055. It's nearly circular (50,000 may seem like a large difference, but the semi-major axis of the Moon's orbit is close to 385,000 km). Additionally, perigee moves, taking a little less than 9 years to progress 360 degrees.

That would affect the actual timing of new moons, full moons, etc, but the variation is small enough that using the average synodic period would still enable you to find the night of the new moon, full moon, etc.

And being so close to circular, are you sure the animation used a perfectly circular orbit instead of the Moon's actual orbit? (Personally, I'd guess they used a circular orbit, since it wouldn't make sense to use such accuracy on the shape of the orbit when the size of the orbits isn't drawn to scale.)
 

Related to Comparing Sidereal & Synodic Reference Frames

1. What is the difference between sidereal and synodic reference frames?

Sidereal and synodic reference frames are two different ways of defining the position and orientation of a celestial object relative to a reference point. Sidereal reference frames are based on the fixed stars, while synodic reference frames are based on the motion of the Sun.

2. Which reference frame is more commonly used in astronomy?

Sidereal reference frames are more commonly used in astronomy because they provide a more stable and precise reference point, as the stars appear to remain fixed in the sky while the Sun and other planets move. Synodic reference frames are more commonly used in astrology.

3. How are sidereal and synodic reference frames related?

Sidereal and synodic reference frames are related through the Earth's rotation and orbit around the Sun. The sidereal day, which is based on the Earth's rotation relative to the stars, is slightly shorter than the synodic day, which is based on the Earth's rotation relative to the Sun. This difference causes the stars to appear to shift slightly in the sky each day.

4. Why do we need to use different reference frames?

Different reference frames are used for different purposes. Sidereal reference frames are more useful for tracking the positions of distant objects, such as stars and galaxies, while synodic reference frames are more useful for tracking the positions of objects within our own solar system, such as planets and the Moon.

5. How do reference frames affect our understanding of celestial objects?

The choice of reference frame can affect our measurements and calculations of the positions and motions of celestial objects. By using the appropriate reference frame, we can more accurately understand and predict the movements of objects in the sky.

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