CMBR as an absolute reference frame

In summary, the CMBR can be used as an absolute reference frame for observers in the universe, but relativity rejects the notion of absolute motion.
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Dorje
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I've been reading Singh's Big Bang book, and towards the end he mentions that the CMBR was used to compute the relative speed of the Milky Way Galaxy, roughly 1,000,000 mph. This seems to suggest that the CMBR can be used as an absolute reference frame for any observer in the universe. However, relativity rejects the notion of absolute motion. What's the resolution here?
 
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A good question Dorje, one that exposes a possible inconssitency in GR.

GR is based on SR, which itself is based on the principle of relativity, there are no preferred frames of reference. From a GR pont of view the SR space-time is empty except for observer test particles of no mass. There are no preferred frames because there is nothing to 'hang your frame on' all frames are equivalent.

However GR considers space-time with a gravitational field, and a gravitational field requires the presence of either mass or energy. If there is mass in the space-time manifold then it is possible to define a special frame of reference - that of the Centre of Mass (CoM) of the system. The question is: "Is the special frame of reference preferred in the same that the laws of physics are different in it than in all other frames, can you identify this frame by performing a laboratory experiment?"

Before we answer this question it is pertinent to observe that in the standard GR theory there are such special frames. In a local gravitational field it is easy to identify the CoM of the system, in the cosmological solution it is easy to identify that frame in which the CMB is globally isotropic and as you point out we are traveling at about 0.1%c relative to the surface of last scattering. Furthermore, in The Cosmological Twin Paradox the topology of a closed universe does determine a special frame of reference.

There are modifications of GR, the Brans Dicke theory being the most famous, which include Mach's Principle.
 
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Garth said:
Furthermore, in The Cosmological Twin Paradox the topology of a closed universe does determine a special frame of reference.

I don't think I have a problem with this. I wish I had enough time to read in detail the papers referenced in the thread!

A caution: some readers (not Garth) may be under the impression that this has been ruled out for our universe, since a Friedmann-Robertson-Walker universe is closed if and only if it will eventually start contracting, and our universe, as modeled by FRW, expands forever. Not.

The presence of a cosmological constant/dark energy can falsify this statement, and, if our universe is an FRW universe, the simplest models for universe do falsify this statement, i.e., we cannot rule out by present observational evidence that our universe is closed. Observational evidence stongly favours a universe that expands forever, but is quite neutral about whether spatial sections of our universe are closed, flat, or open.

Regards,
George
 

Related to CMBR as an absolute reference frame

1. What is CMBR as an absolute reference frame?

CMBR (Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation) is the leftover radiation from the Big Bang that fills the entire universe. It is considered an absolute reference frame because it is the oldest and most evenly distributed form of radiation in the universe, making it a reliable reference point for measuring the movement and orientation of objects in space.

2. How is CMBR used as an absolute reference frame?

CMBR is used as an absolute reference frame by astronomers and cosmologists to measure the movement and orientation of objects in space. By studying the slight temperature variations in the CMBR, scientists can create maps of the universe and track the movement of objects, such as galaxies and galaxy clusters, relative to the CMBR.

3. Why is CMBR considered an ideal absolute reference frame?

CMBR is considered an ideal absolute reference frame because it is isotropic (the same in all directions) and homogeneous (the same at all points in space). This means that no matter where you are in the universe, the CMBR will have the same temperature, making it a consistent and reliable reference point for measuring the movement and orientation of objects in space.

4. Can CMBR be used to measure the expansion of the universe?

Yes, CMBR can be used to measure the expansion of the universe. The slight temperature variations in the CMBR can be used to create maps of the universe, which show the distribution of matter and energy. By studying these maps, scientists can measure the expansion of the universe and gain insights into its evolution.

5. Are there any limitations to using CMBR as an absolute reference frame?

While CMBR is a very useful and reliable absolute reference frame, it does have some limitations. One limitation is that it cannot be used to measure the movement and orientation of objects on a small scale, such as within our own solar system. Additionally, CMBR may not be as precise as other reference frames, such as stars or galaxies, for measuring the movement of objects in the universe.

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