CHSH inequality : renaming and absolute values

In summary, the conversation discusses the CHSH inequality and its derivations. It is questioned whether it is safe to impose the condition l1=l2=l3=l4=l and whether the absolute value has an influence on the average of the Bell operator. The main question is whether the renaming of variables affects the CHS value in classical models. The conversation also references a discussion on the Physics Forums website about this topic.
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jk22
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In some derivations of the CHSH inequality, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHSH_inequality, the following arises :

$$CHS=\int A(a,l1)B(b,l1)dl1-\int A(a,l2)B(b',l2)dl2+\int A(a',l3)B(b,l3)dl3+\int A(a',l4)B(b',l4)dl4\\
=\int A(a,l)B(b,l)dl1-A(a,l)B(b',l)+A(a',l)B(b,l)+A(a',l)B(b',l)dl$$

1) But is it safe to impose l1=l2=l3=l4=l ?

Because if the absolute value were taken, then we could calculate for the classical model with the 4 l's that cannot factorize :
$$p(AB=1)=\frac{b-a}{\pi}$$

From $$C(a,b)=-1+\frac{2(b-a)}{\pi}=p(AB=1)-p(AB=-1)$$

Hence :

2) $$p(|A_1B_1-A_2B_2|=2)=1/16+9/16$$
Then the average of the Bell operator is :

$$|A_1B_1-A_2B_2|+|A_3B_3+A_4B_4|=80/32=2.5>2$$

Thus, whereas the absolute value has no influence in the CHSH version where all the variables are renamed to the same, it changes the average if independent variables are taken.

So the main question is : does this renaming not influence the CHS value ?
Or in other words : can Bell theorem be proven for all classical models without the condition : ##l1=l2=l3=l4## ?
 
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jk22 said:
In some derivations of the CHSH inequality

Which ones? Please give a reference.
 
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l1, l2, l3 and l4 are dummy variables. You certainly may give them all the same name "ell" if you like. These are integrals over "ell" lying in some space, of some function of "ell", with respect to "ell". The integral operation is additive. As long as you are integrating over the same space with respect to the same measure.

Source https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/chsh-inequality-renaming-and-absolute-values.985479/
 

Related to CHSH inequality : renaming and absolute values

1. What is the CHSH inequality?

The CHSH inequality, also known as the Clauser-Horne-Shimony-Holt inequality, is a mathematical expression that tests the limits of local hidden variable theories in quantum mechanics. It is used to determine whether or not a physical system can be explained by classical mechanics or if it requires a quantum mechanical explanation.

2. How is the CHSH inequality calculated?

The CHSH inequality is calculated using a mathematical expression that involves the expectation values of four different measurements on a physical system. These measurements are chosen in such a way that they can be used to test the limits of local hidden variable theories.

3. What is the significance of renaming and absolute values in the CHSH inequality?

Renaming and absolute values are important in the CHSH inequality because they allow for a more general and flexible approach to testing the limits of local hidden variable theories. By allowing for different labels and taking into account the absolute values of the measurements, the CHSH inequality can be applied to a wider range of physical systems.

4. How is the CHSH inequality used in scientific research?

The CHSH inequality is used in scientific research to test the limits of local hidden variable theories in quantum mechanics. It is often used in experiments to determine whether or not a physical system can be explained by classical mechanics or if it requires a quantum mechanical explanation. It has also been used to test the validity of Bell's theorem and to explore the nature of entanglement in quantum systems.

5. What are the implications of violating the CHSH inequality?

If the CHSH inequality is violated in an experiment, it suggests that the physical system being studied cannot be explained by classical mechanics and requires a quantum mechanical explanation. This has significant implications for our understanding of the fundamental laws of physics and the nature of reality. It also has practical applications in fields such as quantum computing and cryptography.

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