Car turning on a curved road and friction

In summary, the conversation discusses how friction opposes motion and provides the necessary centripetal force when a car is turning on a curved road. It also explains how the direction of motion of the wheels and friction are not opposite in this scenario. The conversation also highlights the difference between dynamic/kinetic/sliding friction and rolling resistance, and how static friction can be in any direction. Additionally, it touches on the concept of Newton's third law and how friction plays a role in both the acceleration of the car and the Earth. Finally, it clarifies that friction always opposes relative motion between two surfaces and gives examples of how it affects a car's movement.
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Friction opposes motion. When a car is turning around a curved road, the friction between the tyres and the roads provides the necessary centripetal force. That is, the frictional force would be in the same direction the driver is turning in. So would motion of the wheels be opposite to friction? This is not the case since the wheels turn where friction acts.. So why is this happening?
 
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andyrk said:
Friction opposes motion. When a car is turning around a curved road, the friction between the tyres and the roads provides the necessary centripetal force. That is, the frictional force would be in the same direction the driver is turning in. So would motion of the wheels be opposite to friction? This is not the case since the wheels turn where friction acts.. So why is this happening?

In the case of a rolling wheel friction does not oppose motion. It opposes the acceleration tending to make the wheel slide over the road instead of roll. That would be the centripetal acceleration only if the car has constant velocity.
 
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Dynamic / kinetic / sliding friction opposes relative motion between two surfaces. Rolling resistance opposes rolling motion, but this mostly due to loss of energy between deformation and restoration that occurs at the contact patch of a tire.

Static friction can be in any direction. In the case of a turning car, the static friction is a Newton third law pair of forces, the tire pushing outwards on the pavement, and the pavement pushing inwards on the tire. In a steady turn, the force from the pavement is centripetal.
 
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That means that the wheels want to go outward on the straight track they were following earlier before coming into the circular path or highway. So they want to move away from the circular path they are following and come back to the original straight path. So for this transition of going from the circular path to the curved path they have a tendency to move radially outward until the straight path is met again. To counteract this friction acts radially inwards. So this is the necessary centripetal force. Right?
 
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andyrk said:
friction acts radially inwards.
The static friction is between the tires and the pavement. As I mentioned before, that static friction results in a Newton third law pair of forces, the tire exerts an outward force onto the pavement, the pavement exerts an inwards (centripetal) force onto the tires.

Both forces are techincally reaction forces, the force from the tires is related to the acceleration of the car (times its mass), and the force from the pavement is related to the tiny amount of acceleration of the Earth (times its mass).
 
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andyrk said:
Friction opposes motion.
Not quite. Friction between two surfaces opposes relative motion of the two surfaces - always. In the absence of friction, the car would continue in a straight line, the tyres sliding sideways on the road. Friction acts to oppose the slide.
Similarly, for a car accelerating on the flat, without friction the wheels would spin, with the part of the tyres in contact with the road moving 'backwards' (in relation to the orientation of the car). Therefore friction pushes the car forwards.
 

Related to Car turning on a curved road and friction

1. How does friction affect a car turning on a curved road?

Friction plays a crucial role in a car turning on a curved road. It provides the necessary force to keep the car on the road and prevent it from sliding off. Without friction, the car would continue in a straight line and not be able to turn.

2. What factors affect the amount of friction between a car and a curved road?

The amount of friction between a car and a curved road depends on several factors, including the type of road surface, the weight of the car, and the speed at which the car is turning. The more rough the road surface is, the greater the friction will be. A heavier car will also have more friction, and a car turning at a higher speed will have less friction.

3. Can the tires of a car impact the amount of friction on a curved road?

Yes, the tires of a car can greatly affect the amount of friction on a curved road. Tires with a good tread pattern provide more grip on the road, increasing friction. On the other hand, worn-out or bald tires have less grip and can reduce friction, making it more difficult to turn on a curved road.

4. How does the speed of a car affect the amount of friction on a curved road?

The speed of a car has a significant impact on the amount of friction on a curved road. As the speed increases, the car's centrifugal force also increases, causing it to push against the road surface with more force. This increased force leads to higher friction, making it easier for the car to turn on the curved road.

5. How can a driver adjust their driving to optimize friction on a curved road?

To optimize friction on a curved road, a driver can adjust their driving by reducing their speed, especially if the road surface is wet or slippery. They can also make sure their tires are in good condition and have proper tread for maximum grip. Additionally, drivers can take turns smoothly and evenly, avoiding sudden movements that can reduce friction and cause the car to lose control.

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