Can this vector equation be proven?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the proof of the identity delta x (a x b) = (b . delta) a - b (delta . a) + a (delta . b) - (a . delta) b, which involves using the curl operator in vector calculus. The conversation also mentions the use of the Leibnitz rule to simplify the proof and the importance of understanding basic calculus concepts before tackling more complex ones.
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delta x (a x b) = (b . delta) a - b (delta . a) + a (delta . b) - (a . delta) b
all terms are in vectors, so delta x means curl.
Can anybody prove that?
Because I have tried to prove it, but it keeps failing.
Please help me to figure this out...
Thanks a lot...
 
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Do it in component form :

[tex]\big( \nabla \times A \big)_{i} = \epsilon_{ijk} \partial_{j} A_{k}[/tex] where [tex]A_{k} = \epsilon_{klm} a_{l}b_{m}[/tex], so

[tex]\big( \nabla \times ( a \times b) \big)_{i} = \epsilon_{ijk} \partial_{j} (\epsilon_{klm} a_{l}b_{m})[/tex]

Remember the identity [tex]\epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{klm} = \delta_{il}\delta_{jm} - \delta_{im}\delta_{jl}[/tex] and just do some clearing up to get your answer.
 
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But, with that, there will be only 2 terms left, instead of 4...
Is that true?
And what will happen with the other 2 terms?
I'm confused.
Thanks a lot...
 
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Use the Leibnitz rule on [tex]\partial_{j}(a_{l}b_{m})[/tex], that'll double the number of terms.
 
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I've never heard about that. Can you please explain a bit?
Thanks...
 
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With ordinary functions it's also called the product rule:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(f g) = g \frac{df}{dx} + f \frac{dg}{dx}.[/tex]
In this case,
[tex]\partial_j(a_l b_m) = a_l \partial_j b_m + b_m \partial_j a_l[/tex]
 
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R3DH34RT said:
I've never heard about that. Can you please explain a bit?
If you're being asked to do vector calculus identities, you must have been taught the Liebnitz rule?! It's one of the most important properties of a derivative.

Are you learning just from books? Because if you're just picking up a random book on calculus and geometry, you might be missing the essential requirements by skipping over the prerequesite books.

There's no point doing calculus in n dimensions if you can't do it in 1.
 
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Oh yes, I forgot the name, but I remember that equation...
Thanks... :)
 

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