Can light act like an object in motion and stand still in an ideal environment?

In summary, the question of whether a light source moving directly away from you at almost the speed of light will stand still and be visible is not possible in an ideal environment. However, if the light source is moving at slightly less than the speed of light, it will still be visible, but red-shifted. Further considerations, such as momentum and energy conservation, may prevent the possibility of massless particles decaying into more massless particles.
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In an ideal environment, if a light source is moving directly away from you at the speed of light will the light act like an object that is acted upon by two opposing forces and stand still? Would we be able to see the light source? Thanks!

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Securityman said:
moving directly away from you at the speed of light

That's not possible, even in an ideal experiment.
 
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jtbell said:
That's not possible, even in an ideal experiment.

Which part? The speed of light part? If so can we assume it's possible for this system?
 
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Securityman said:
Which part? The speed of light part?

Yes.

If so can we assume it's possible for this system?

If we do this, we can't use relativity to make predictions about the consequences.
 
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Securityman said:
In an ideal environment, if a light source is moving directly away from you at the speed of light will the light act like an object that is acted upon by two opposing forces and stand still? Would we be able to see the light source? Thanks!

Secman

Securityman said:
Which part? The speed of light part? If so can we assume it's possible for this system?
If you assume that it's possible for your system, then you get to make up your own laws of physics and you can make up anything you want. No one is going to be able to second-guess what you might dream up. But you're not allowed to speculate on such matters on this forum. This forum is to learn about relativity and how it explains the real world, not to pretend that the world is different so you can make up your own fantasy.
 
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Securityman said:
In an ideal environment, if a light source is moving directly away from you at the speed of light will the light act like an object that is acted upon by two opposing forces and stand still? Would we be able to see the light source?

As phrased, the question has no answer, as there is no such thing as a light source "moving directly away from you at the speed of light". However, there is a very closely related question which does make sense and does have an answer:
In an ideal environment, if a light source is moving directly away from you at almost (say 99.99999999999999999999%) the speed of light will the light act like an object that is acted upon by two opposing forces and stand still? Would we be able to see the light source?

And the answer is:
1) No, the light will not almost stand still. In a vacuum, light travels at the speed c regardless of the velocity of the source or the target.

2) Because of the first answer, yes, the light will get to you so you'll be able to detect it. The light will be red-shifted, and if it's red-shifted enough it won't register on your eyes, so you may not be able to literally "see" the light source, but if you have the right instruments (for example an infrared night vision device for moderate red-shifts) you will be able to detect it.
 
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I'd like to point out that the OP said only "light source" and never mentioned anything about a flashlight or some-such thing that has mass.

It requires a bit more, then, than simply the axioms of special relativity to rule out the possibility of a massless particle (moving away from you) decaying into more massless particles (one of which is moving towards you). Perhaps momentum or energy conservation prevents this, but I cannot confirm this without taking out a pen and paper...especially if we include the possibilities of many (n-particle) decays.

At a more fundamental level, perhaps quantum field theory prevents such decays?

EDIT: I had not considered the red-shift effect. Perhaps that itself would prevent this decay since any potential photon emitted would be red-shifted to 0-frequency.
 

Related to Can light act like an object in motion and stand still in an ideal environment?

1. What is relative motion?

Relative motion refers to the movement of an object in relation to a reference point or another object. It is often described in terms of speed, velocity, and acceleration.

2. How does relative motion affect the speed of light?

According to the theory of relativity, the speed of light is constant and does not change, regardless of the relative motion of the observer or the source of the light. This is known as the principle of invariance.

3. Can relative motion affect the color of light?

No, relative motion does not affect the color of light. However, the perceived color of an object may change due to the Doppler effect, which is a change in frequency due to relative motion.

4. How does relative motion impact the measurement of distances in space?

When measuring distances in space, it is important to take into account the relative motion of objects. This is because the distance between two objects can change depending on their relative motion, as seen with the expansion of the universe.

5. Is relative motion important in everyday life?

Yes, relative motion is important in everyday life. It helps us understand and predict the motion of objects, such as cars, airplanes, and even ourselves. It also plays a crucial role in technologies like GPS, where relative motion is used to determine the position of an object.

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