Can general relativity explain the difference in tides between land and sea?

In summary, general relativity explains gravity as the effect of bodies following an inertial path on a distorted spacetime. The moon's pull on the water, without affecting the surrounding land in the same way, can be explained by the fact that particles only move along geodesic paths in the absence of non-gravitational forces. This means that the solid land, with stronger inter-atomic forces, doesn't deform as much as the oceans, resulting in the relative difference in heights between land and sea that we perceive as tides. This can be compared to a system of masses connected by springs on a non-euclidean space.
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dodo
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Hello,
general relativity describes gravity not as a force (as opposed to the classical view), but as the effect of bodies following an inertial path on a distorted spacetime.

How does that explain the sea tides on Earth? The moon pulls the water without pulling the surrounding land by the same amount. I understand that the moon does pull the land (which is a nuisance for satellite ground measurements), but certainly we perceive a relative difference in heights between land and sea. How is that explained in terms of objects following a spacetime geodesic, when land and sea are, near their areas of contact (the shores), at such proximity?

Thanks!
 
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particles only move along geodesic paths through curved spacetime if there are no non-gravitational forces acting on them, i.e. if they are in freefall. There are inter-atomic forces between the particles in both land and water, so these particles don't follow geodesics, and the fact that we see tides has to do with the fact that these inter-atomic forces are stronger in land than in water, so the solid land doesn't get deformed as much from a spherical shape as the oceans do. This page has a simple diagram:

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Ah, alright. So I gather that the question is similar to imagining a system of masses connected by springs (some looser, some stronger), and asking how would it work on a non-euclidean space.

Thanks for the link!
 
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Dodo said:
Ah, alright. So I gather that the question is similar to imagining a system of masses connected by springs (some looser, some stronger), and asking how would it work on a non-euclidean space.
Yes, that's an excellent way of thinking about it.
 

Related to Can general relativity explain the difference in tides between land and sea?

1. What is general relativity and how does it relate to tides?

General relativity is a theory developed by Albert Einstein that describes the effects of gravity on the fabric of space-time. It explains that massive objects, such as planets and stars, create curves in space-time which cause other objects to move towards them. In the case of tides, general relativity explains how the gravitational pull of the moon and sun on the Earth's oceans creates the phenomenon we observe as tides.

2. How does general relativity differ from Newton's theory of gravity?

Newton's theory of gravity states that the force of gravity between two objects is directly proportional to their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. General relativity, on the other hand, explains gravity as a curvature of space-time caused by massive objects. It also takes into account the effects of acceleration and the speed of light, which Newton's theory does not.

3. Can general relativity explain both high and low tides?

Yes, general relativity can explain both high and low tides. The gravitational pull of the moon and sun on the Earth's oceans causes a bulge in the water, resulting in high tides. However, general relativity also explains that the Earth's rotation and the centrifugal force created by it causes a bulge on the opposite side, resulting in low tides. This is known as the tidal force.

4. How does the curvature of space-time affect tides?

The curvature of space-time caused by the mass of the moon and sun affects the Earth's oceans by creating a gradient in the gravitational pull. This means that the side of the Earth closest to the moon or sun experiences a stronger gravitational pull, resulting in higher tides. The side of the Earth furthest from the moon or sun experiences a weaker gravitational pull, resulting in lower tides.

5. Can general relativity explain other tidal phenomena, such as tidal locking?

Yes, general relativity can also explain other tidal phenomena, such as tidal locking. Tidal locking occurs when the gravitational pull of a larger object, such as a planet or moon, causes a smaller object to have one side constantly facing it. This is because the gravitational force is stronger on the side facing the larger object, causing it to slow down and eventually match the rotation of the larger object. General relativity explains this phenomenon through the curvature of space-time and the tidal force created by the gravitational pull of the larger object.

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