Bibliography to understand Fermi, Bose and Boltzmann statistics?

In summary: No, Weinberg is more like a foundation book. Huang is more of a more detailed overview and reference.So it's something like Weinberg for quantum field theory.
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Tosh5457
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I'm studying by Statistical Mechanics (Huang, page 180) but can't understand many things there, can anyone provide a good bibliography to study this? I don't understand what's an occupation number of a given momentum: if it's the number of particles with that given momentum, why can it only be 0 or 1 in Fermi gas, doesn't the gas has a lot of particles which can possibly have that momentum? And why is momentum written like:

[tex]p = \frac{h}{L}\underset{n}{\rightarrow}[/tex]

where n is a vector which components are 0 or integers, and L is the cube root volume of the system.
 
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All of your questions concern very basic quantum mechanics rather than statistical mechanics. Thankfully, most stat mech books will give a brief overview of the relevant QM when delving into quantum stat mech. I wouldn't recommend using Huang by the way-it's a terrible, terrible book.

I would recommend, for your purposes:

-Chapter 9 of "Fundamentals of Statistical and Thermal Physics"-Reif
-Chapter 7 and Appendix A of "An Introduction to Thermal Physics-Schroeder
-Chapter 5 of "Statistical Mechanics"-Pathria
-Chapters 3,4,5 of the following notes by the almighty Kip Thorne: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2011/
 
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WannabeNewton said:
All of your questions concern very basic quantum mechanics rather than statistical mechanics. Thankfully, most stat mech books will give a brief overview of the relevant QM when delving into quantum stat mech. I wouldn't recommend using Huang by the way-it's a terrible, terrible book.

I would recommend, for your purposes:

-Chapter 9 of "Fundamentals of Statistical and Thermal Physics"-Reif
-Chapter 7 and Appendix A of "An Introduction to Thermal Physics-Schroeder
-Chapter 5 of "Statistical Mechanics"-Pathria
-Chapters 3,4,5 of the following notes by the almighty Kip Thorne: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2011/

Well in the course of Quantum Mechanics I took we didn't speak of any of these things, or we did indirectly and I'm not making the connection, so my questions remain. Ty
 
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Tosh5457 said:
Well in the course of Quantum Mechanics I took we didn't speak of any of these things, or we did indirectly and I'm not making the connection, so my questions remain. Ty

I see. We did in my QM course so I assumed it was standard. Anyways, see section 3.2.5. of Kip Thorne's notes on kinetic theory: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2011/1103.1.K.pdf

In principle this section should answer all of your questions but if not you can always ask more specific questions based on said section.
 
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WannabeNewton said:
I see. We did in my QM course so I assumed it was standard. Anyways, see section 3.2.5. of Kip Thorne's notes on kinetic theory: http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2011/1103.1.K.pdf

In principle this section should answer all of your questions but if not you can always ask more specific questions based on said section.

Thanks it did. Now I need to learn how to deduce the state equations for fermions and bosons gas, and write the grand canonical partition function for them, as well as Boltzmann's. I'll be heading to the library tomorrow, which of those books do you think explains that? Huang is really a terrible book, it has the content but the deductions skip a lot of crucial steps IMO, and unfortunately is the book my teacher is following.
 
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Get Reif and Pathria. In chapter 9 Reif calculates the canonical partition functions for Fermi and Bose gases in full detail and computes their thermodynamic properties right after. Pathria has a section on the grand canonical ensemble for quantum mechanical systems in chapter 5.
 
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WannabeNewton said:
I wouldn't recommend using Huang by the way-it's a terrible, terrible book.

:smile: It's not! It's a terrible, terrible, terrible book.

One redeeming feature was that the edition I had had a cover that was nice to touch.
 
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If Huang is so terrible terrible terrible book, then why do specialists and teachers of statistical physics so often cite and recommend it?
 
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Demystifier said:
If Huang is so terrible terrible terrible book, then why do specialists and teachers of statistical physics so often cite and recommend it?

I found it inscrutable to learn from. It's authoritative after one has learned a bit.
 
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atyy said:
I found it inscrutable to learn from. It's authoritative after one has learned a bit.
So it's something like Weinberg for quantum field theory.
 

Related to Bibliography to understand Fermi, Bose and Boltzmann statistics?

1. What is the significance of Fermi, Bose, and Boltzmann statistics in physics?

Fermi, Bose, and Boltzmann statistics are three different statistical methods used to describe the behavior of particles in a system. These statistics help us understand how particles interact with each other and how they distribute their energy in a given system. They play a crucial role in many branches of physics, such as thermodynamics, statistical mechanics, and quantum mechanics.

2. How are Fermi, Bose, and Boltzmann statistics different from each other?

While all three statistics are used to describe the behavior of particles, they differ in terms of the types of particles they apply to and the underlying assumptions they make. Fermi-Dirac statistics are used for particles with half-integer spin, such as electrons, while Bose-Einstein statistics are used for particles with integer spin, such as photons. Boltzmann statistics, on the other hand, are used for classical particles that are not subject to quantum effects.

3. Can you give an example of a phenomenon that is described by Fermi, Bose, or Boltzmann statistics?

One example is the phenomenon of superconductivity, which is described by the Bose-Einstein statistics. In superconductivity, pairs of electrons behave like bosons, forming a "condensate" that allows for the flow of electricity without resistance. This phenomenon can only be explained using Bose-Einstein statistics.

4. Why is it important to understand Fermi, Bose, and Boltzmann statistics?

Understanding these statistics is crucial in many fields of physics, including condensed matter physics, astrophysics, and quantum mechanics. These statistics allow us to make predictions and understand the behavior of particles in different systems, which can lead to advancements in technology and our understanding of the universe.

5. How are Fermi, Bose, and Boltzmann statistics related to each other?

Although these statistics are used to describe different types of particles, they are all based on the same framework of statistical mechanics. They are also connected through the concept of phase space, which is a mathematical concept used to describe the possible states of a system. Additionally, Bose-Einstein statistics and Fermi-Dirac statistics can be unified into a single framework called the grand canonical ensemble, which allows for the study of systems with both bosons and fermions.

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