# [SOLVED]b.2.2.27 - Analysis of first order IVP

#### Joppy

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Could you be clear on what you're struggling with? For instance a) requires first the solution of the DE. Can you identify the kind of DE that it is and suggest a solution approach? (e.g., separable)

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#### Alan

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You just need to integrate $$dy/(y(4-y))=tdt/3$$ by using the partial fractions $1/(y(4-y))=A/y+B/(4-y)$ where you find A and B by multiplying first by $y$ and then plugging y=0 to find A, as for B just try to multiply by 4-y and again plug $y=4$ to find the coefficients A and B. Thus you immediate integrals to solve.

#### karush

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Could you be clear on what you're struggling with? For instance a) requires first the solution of the DE. Can you identify the kind of DE that it is and suggest a solution approach? (e.g., separable)
ok yes the 2,2 section exercises are all on separable equations
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#### MarkFL

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Yes, I see what looks like a separable first order ODE for which partial fractions will prove to be useful. #### karush

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You just need to integrate $$dy/(y(4-y))=tdt/3$$ by using the partial fractions $1/(y(4-y))=A/y+B/(4-y)$ where you find A and B by multiplying first by $y$ and then plugging y=0 to find A, as for B just try to multiply by 4-y and again plug $y=4$ to find the coefficients A and B. Thus you immediate integrals to solve.
$\dfrac{1}{(4 - y) y} = \dfrac{ 1} {4 y} - \dfrac{1}{4 (y - 4)}$
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#### topsquark

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$\dfrac{1}{(4 - y) y} = \dfrac{ 1} {4 y} - \dfrac{1}{4 (y - 4)}$
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You are off by a minus sign.

$$\displaystyle \dfrac{1}{y(y - 4)} = \dfrac{1}{4y} - \dfrac{1}{4(y - 4)}$$

Watch the negative sign on the 4 - y.

-Dan

#### karush

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 $\displaystyle \dfrac{1}{y(4¬y)} = \dfrac{1}{4y} - \dfrac{1}{4(y - 4)}$ thus if so then $$\dfrac{1}{4} \displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{y} \, dy- \dfrac{1}{4} \int\dfrac{1}{y-4}\, dy =\dfrac{1}{3} \int t\, dt$$

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#### skeeter

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 $\displaystyle \dfrac{1}{y(4¬y)} = \dfrac{1}{4y} - \dfrac{1}{4(y - 4)}$ thus if so then $$\dfrac{1}{4} \displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{y} \, dy- \dfrac{1}{4} \int\dfrac{1}{y-4}\, dy =\dfrac{1}{3} \int t\, dt$$

$$\displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{y} \, dy- \int\dfrac{1}{y-4}\, dy =\dfrac{4}{3} \int t\, dt$$

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#### Joppy

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This is also a Bernoulli equation, if you wanted to take a different route . But I'm not sure if your book covered linear ODE's before separable.

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#### Alan

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$\dfrac{1}{(4 - y) y} = \dfrac{ 1} {4 y} - \dfrac{1}{4 (y - 4)}$
like this?
do we really need this ugly brown box at the bottom!
Which ugly box are you talking about?

#### karush

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Which ugly box are you talking about?
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#### karush

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$$\displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{y} \, dy- \int\dfrac{1}{y-4}\, dy =\dfrac{4}{3} \int t\, dt$$

$$\ln |y|-\ln |y-4|=\frac{2t^2}{3}+C$$

ok assume find C from RHS and $y(0) =y_0$

does $y_0=t$??

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#### Alan

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OK, I am using a Desktop and this ugly box isn't shown there.

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#### Alan

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$$\displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{y} \, dy- \int\dfrac{1}{y-4}\, dy =\dfrac{4}{3} \int t\, dt$$

$$\ln |y|-\ln |y-4|=\frac{2t^2}{3}+C$$

ok assume find C from RHS and $y(0) =y_0$

does $y_0=t$??
y_0 is a constant and t is a variable, so this doesn't make so much sense.