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[SOLVED] 85 find circle from 3 points

karush

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Jan 31, 2012
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find an equation of the circle passing through the given points
85 Given $(-1,3),\quad (6,2),\quad (-2,-4)$
since the radius is the same for all points set all cirlce eq equal to each other
$(x_1-h)^2+(y_1-k)^2=(x_2-h)^2+(y_2-k)^2=(x_3-h)^2+(y_3-k)^2$
plug in values
$(-1-h)^2+(3-k)^2=(6-h)^2+(2-k)^2=(-2-h)^2+(-4-k)^2$
from this we get (via W|A)
$h = 2,\quad k = -1$
derive the radius by the distance of the center to one of the points
$d=\sqrt{(2-(-2))^2+(-1-(-4))^2}\sqrt{16+9}=\sqrt{25}=5$
thus the stardard circle equation would be
$\left(x-2\right)^2+\left(y+1\right)^2=25$

ok I think this is ok, but I was going to try to do this with a matrix but with the squares in it didn't see how
also want to try to draw the 3 points, center, and circle with tikx

first attempt... need 3 points and ticks and text
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw (.4,-.2) circle (1cm);
\draw (-2,0) -- (3,0);
\draw (0,-2) -- (0,2);
\end{tikzpicture}

I assume there might be some kill all formula used for this problem.
 
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skeeter

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Mar 1, 2012
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find an equation of the circle passing through the given points
$(-1,3),\quad (6,2),\quad (-2,-4)$
slope between (-1,3) and (-2,-4) ... $m = 7$

midpoint between (-1,3) and (-2,-4) ... (-3/2, -1/2)

perpendicular bisector ... $y + \dfrac{1}{2} = -\dfrac{1}{7}\left(x + \dfrac{3}{2}\right)$



slope between (-1,3) and (6,2) ... $m = -\dfrac{1}{7}$

midpoint between (-1,3) and (6,2) ... (5/2, 5/2)

perpendicular bisector ... $y - \dfrac{5}{2} = 7 \left(x - \dfrac{5}{2} \right)$


intersection of the two perpendicular bisectors is the circle center, (2, -1)


distance between any point and the center is the radius ... $r = 5$

circle equation ...

$(x-2)^2 + (y+1)^2 = 5^2$
 

karush

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Jan 31, 2012
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well that was certainly very novel..

most of these examples throw you to the general equations and do a lot of gymnastics.

ok I assume that is a Desmos graph....
 

topsquark

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Aug 30, 2012
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slope between (-1,3) and (-2,-4) ... $m = 7$

midpoint between (-1,3) and (-2,-4) ... (-3/2, -1/2)

perpendicular bisector ... $y + \dfrac{1}{2} = -\dfrac{1}{7}\left(x + \dfrac{3}{2}\right)$



slope between (-1,3) and (6,2) ... $m = -\dfrac{1}{7}$

midpoint between (-1,3) and (6,2) ... (5/2, 5/2)

perpendicular bisector ... $y - \dfrac{5}{2} = 7 \left(x - \dfrac{5}{2} \right)$


intersection of the two perpendicular bisectors is the circle center, (2, -1)


distance between any point and the center is the radius ... $r = 5$

circle equation ...

$(x+1)^2 + (y-2)^2 = 5^2$
Well, well, well! Someone's been reading their Euclid! (Bow)

Nice job.

-Dan
 

skeeter

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Mar 1, 2012
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well that was certainly very novel..

most of these examples throw you to the general equations and do a lot of gymnastics.

ok I assume that is a Desmos graph....
not desmos ... free graphing program for windows (maybe there is one for Macs, haven't looked to confirm)


https://www.padowan.dk/download/
 

karush

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Jan 31, 2012
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I think I'm mostly interested in what ca be done with tikx.
Albeit with its limitations
 

Greg

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Feb 5, 2013
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\(\displaystyle (-1-h)^2+(3-k)^2=(6-h)^2+(2-k)^2=(-2-h)^2+(-4-k)^2\)

\(\displaystyle (-1-h)^2-(6-h)^2+(3-k)^2-(2-k)^2=0\)

\(\displaystyle -7(5-2h)+(5-2k)=0\)

\(\displaystyle -35+14h+5-2k=0\)

\(\displaystyle -30+14h-2k=0\quad[1]\)

\(\displaystyle (-1-h)^2-(-2-h)^2+(3-k)^2-(-4-k)^2=0\)

\(\displaystyle (-3-2h)+7(-1-2k)=0\)

\(\displaystyle -10-2h-14k=0\quad[2]\)

\(\displaystyle [1]+7*[2]\implies k=-1\implies h=2\)

\(\displaystyle (x-2)^2+(y+1)^2=25\)
 

karush

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Jan 31, 2012
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so I quess there is no slam dunk one step solution :(