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who made god?
Originally posted by WingZero
who made god?
Originally posted by Kakorot
"who made god?"
By asking that quesion, i could reply to it with another question. "Who made the singularity before the big bang?"
and then you would answer, "its always been there."
and I would tell you, "well, there is your answer for your first question."
Also, and this is just a thought, God could have created himself. ..
What it would look like: All of a sudden God would come flying out of nowhere. And then he would create a being that would appear to look just like him(because it is him, just younger) and you would see this "new" God get thrusted to over the speed of light...and it would go to the past...to the very instant in time where you saw God come out of nowhere. :)
Originally posted by Njorl
From the liner notes to Aqualung:
In the beginning Man created God; and in the image of Man created he him.
And Man gave unto God a multitude of names, that he might be Lord over all the Earth when it was suited to Man.
And on the seven millionth day Man rested and did lean heavily on his God and saw that it was good.
And Man formed Aqualung of the dust of the ground, and a host of others likened unto his kind.
And these lesser men Man did cast into the void. And some were burned;
and some were put apart from their kind.
And Man became the God that he had created and with his miracles did rule over all the earth.
But as all these things did come to pass, the Spirit that did cause man to create his God lived on within all men: even within Aqualung.
And man saw it not.
But for Christ's sake he better start looking.
Originally posted by full-time-climb
You know how when you see something small and then though science you are able to see smaller and smaller particles and you realize if you could cotinue to see you would see it just keeps getting smaller without end...Well apparently it works the other way as well.
Originally posted by elwestrand
God is not suboordinate to time. "made" things exist in time. What is born must die. this is called time. Not only God, but every individual soul has no beginning and no ending. We do not exist in time. Logically, how can you deny this (that something transcends time) what created time? Whatever did create time must have simply always been.
Originally posted by deda
I'll post my answer as if I was an religious man:
God is unmadeable.
God is, was and will be.
God is also undestructible.
Originally posted by elwestrand
Hi.
"How long, elwestrand, can you exist, if there is no time?"
Our language is not modeled to deal with concepts that transcend tim. Your question is logically invalid. By asking "how long" you are placing it in the context of time. With no time, there is no "how long" "how short."
"At what point in...time...did God create time?"
The same as before. By stating "in time" you're implying that time already exists before it is manifested.
The topic is certainly not religious. This is called knowledge.
"Finally, if God existed for an infinite amount of...time...before creating everything else, how is it that He reached the "end of infinity".
Infinite time is an oxymoron. The meaning of eternity is not "infinite time" Eternity simply transcends all concepts of "Ammount." In eternity, there is no past or future. What normally would be past and future is in the present. This is very different from an infinite length of time. I think this will answer your question. If in eternity what we perceive as past and future, is persent, then there is simply no such thing as "the end of infinity" or "before everything else." It is very mind-boggling, but if you really think about it, it will seem true.
Originally posted by NateTG
Man makes god. (Present tense intentional.)
Originally posted by Mentat
How do you do?
No "how long"? Then it lasted for no time at all, right?
By using the term "before", you too are presupposing a "time" framework.
And religion doesn't deal with "knowledge"?
If what you think of as past and future are really present, then there was no past, and is no future, and you exist for absolutely not time at all, which gives you no time to do all of this speculation, right?
Originally posted by elwestrand
In my perspective, God is not creation of man, dreamt up in imagination. That theory is very incomplete. It does not answer WHY we need to feel significance in our lives. If there were no significance to begin with, and all of creation is just a random, absurd, accident without any meaning, then it follows, logically, that all of its products would alse be like that. We would not have a need to feel "significant" if there were no significance to begin with.
Originally posted by elwestrand
"The theory is well supported by, well, every bit of data that science has discovered. We have evolution that describes the origin of man, we have psychology that has positively identified parts of the brain associated with our emotions, creative thinking, and other brain functions. We have cosmology, that has began to tackle questions that once could only been asked in a religious or philosophical tone and it has being doing this with science.
You view is the product of emotion and conjecture(I'm not saying that is bad...), while I plant my ideas firmly scietific, repeatable and most importantantly correct data(but I am saying that I am closer to truth)"
Am, the theory is not supported by every bit of data that science has discovered, rather, the theory is supported by your own emotional interpretation of the data. Tell me why the theory of evolution, if true, must exclude God? Are you aware that there are religions whose anscient teachings are in line with evolution and modern cosmology? Or are you only aware of the biblical creation story and that is a far as your religious and spiritual knowledge extends? Evolution theory does not explain origin of phsyical life, only its devolopment. Scientific expiriments have consistently failed to "proove" evolutionary theory's conjecture about the origin of life-- but even if that conjecture were true, it would not proove that God does not exist! Also, evolution theory and all that attempts to explain the physical organism, which actually has nothing to do with the soul. It is accepted that it is not possible to proove or disproove existence of a soul or God, scientifically.
Originally posted by elwestrand
Hi. In answer to the first one: It niether "lasted" no time nor infinite time, and obviously not fir finite time. There simply IS NO TIME.
to the second: yeah, By using "before," I am. This is because our language is not well suited to desctribe things existing without time.
Religion deals with knowledge but knowledge alone has nothing to do with religion.
To the last: my comparison of untime to the past and future being present always is merely a metaphor to help understand... Untime is another dimension, you cannot comprehend unless you have experience it.
Originally posted by Mentat
Those are exacly the words I used "No time". So, it existed for "no time"...right?
But experiencing it would take a certain amount of time, wouldn't it?
Originally posted by elwestrand
Apparently you got me. Again, the language is not suited. Okay, it is more accurately neither with time nor without time.
The answer to "experiencing untime would take a certain amount of time" depends on which perspective you use. To the perspective that exists within time, it might "take some time" for something to blink out of time, experience it, and blink back... but to the perspective that actually experiences it, this is not ture. For example, an example using only time, say you went in a very fast vehicle and flew around the universe. Now, according to relativity time occours to you at a slower pace... so you may have only experienced a few days, then you come back to Earth... but millions or years have passed on Earth even though for you it was only a few days.
Originally posted by Deeviant
I am well aware of the changing of certain religions to bring evolution and cosmology, but this only suggests that their beliefs are not supported by science
Originally posted by Mentat
but then you would not have experienced
No, you would not have experienced anything from the prespective of a time-based consciousness. That is the whole point. If the consciousness is time-based, it cannot not by definition expereince untime, it will merely not interpret it at all and it will be oblivious of it. The brain is not capable of experiencing untime.
Actually, our spiritual consciouness, which is beyond the brain, which flows into the brain, is untime-based. We are submerged in untime.