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Amer

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Mar 1, 2012
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kanderson

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Jul 7, 2012
13
I really didn't understand the point.
 

Amer

Active member
Mar 1, 2012
275
It talks about dictators, i think
 

kanderson

Member
Jul 7, 2012
13
Ok, I get it now. Lol, I was like what did math have to do with crazy people?
 

SuperSonic4

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Mar 1, 2012
249
O'Brien:
It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.​
Winston:
How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."​
O'Brien:
Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.​
 

DeusAbscondus

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Jun 30, 2012
176
O'Brien:
It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.​
Winston:
How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."​
O'Brien:
Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.​
Sure, 1984 is about totalitarianism, but, on a more subtle level still, Orwell's prophetic novel is about ideology in all its forms.
For instance, when applied to the world religion, that of humanism, we can re-read O'Brien:
"it is impossible to see reality the way everyone else sees it unless you believe the central tenets of our creed; the first and foremost of these being:
1. human life is the ultimate explanation for why everything is here
2. human life is sacred, no matter what state of degradation or decrepitude
3. human consciousness is a privileged point of view by means of which we comprehend - in the fullest sense of the term - the cosmos, comprehend and hold sway over, as if by divine right (read: "natural law")."

All three articles of faith are no more than that: questionable, dubious at best, ridiculous and obviously and outlandishly false at worst.

All three are hardly ever questioned by hardly anyone.

Behold, ideology at work, no less insidious, no less pervasive than that depicted in the dystopian vision of 1984.

Thanks for the thought-provoking excerpt, Super Sonic, from one of last century's towering intellects.

DeusAbs
 

SuperSonic4

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MHB Math Helper
Mar 1, 2012
249
Sure, 1984 is about totalitarianism, but, on a more subtle level still, Orwell's prophetic novel is about ideology in all its forms.
For instance, when applied to the world religion, that of humanism, we can re-read O'Brien:
"it is impossible to see reality the way everyone else sees it unless you believe the central tenets of our creed; the first and foremost of these being:
1. human life is the ultimate explanation for why everything is here
2. human life is sacred, no matter what state of degradation or decrepitude
3. human consciousness is a privileged point of view by means of which we comprehend - in the fullest sense of the term - the cosmos, comprehend and hold sway over, as if by divine right (read: "natural law")."

All three articles of faith are no more than that: questionable, dubious at best, ridiculous and obviously and outlandishly false at worst.

All three are hardly ever questioned by hardly anyone.

Behold, ideology at work, no less insidious, no less pervasive than that depicted in the dystopian vision of 1984.

Thanks for the thought-provoking excerpt, Super Sonic, from one of last century's towering intellects.

DeusAbs
I never thought about it in that way before so thanks to you for pointing that at (confirmation bias makes it easy for me to believe (Giggle))
 

topsquark

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MHB Math Helper
Aug 30, 2012
1,140
2 + 2 = 5 for very large values of 2.

-Dan