Why use primed coordinates for this

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In summary, The use of primed coordinates in Griffiths notation for the electrostatic potential calculation may be due to avoiding misinterpretation of unprimed coordinates and to maintain consistency in notation with the integration element. This notation is also used in vanhees71's notation for the 1D case.
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Griffiths notation kind of bothers me. Can anyone explain why he uses primed coordinates in the attached picture. Wouldn't dl, da, dτ do just as well?
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I hate books that are so sloppy in their notation :-(. What he wants to write is

[tex]\Phi(\vec{x})=\int \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x}' \frac{\rho(\vec{x}')}{4 \pi |\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|},[/tex]

which gives the electrostatic potential of a (time independent!) charge distribution [itex]\rho[/itex] (in Heaviside-Lorentz units). Note that there are two points involved: First there's the point [itex]\vec{x}[/itex] at which the potential is calculated and the point [itex]\vec{x}'[/itex] which is at the location of a charge [itex]\rho(\vec{x}') \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x}'[/itex]. Then you "sum" (integrate) over all these charge elements.
 
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But why dl'? Is that because you might misinterpret dl unprimed as dl along the vector r (can't find that damn script letter)?
 
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zezima1 said:
But why dl'? Is that because you might misinterpret dl unprimed as dl along the vector r (can't find that damn script letter)?

You integrate over primed coordinates so the integration element ( dl') is primed too. In vanhees71's notation, d3x' is an infinitesimal volume at point x'. For the 1D case, dl' is an infinitesimal length at point r'.
 
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There are a few reasons why primed coordinates may be used in certain situations. One reason is to distinguish between different coordinate systems or frames of reference. For example, in the attached picture, the primed coordinates may represent a moving frame of reference, while the unprimed coordinates represent a stationary frame of reference. This can be useful in situations where there are multiple frames of reference involved, such as in the study of relativity.

Another reason for using primed coordinates is to simplify calculations. In some cases, using primed coordinates may make the equations simpler and easier to work with. This can be especially helpful in more complex systems or when dealing with higher dimensions.

As for Griffiths' notation, it is simply a matter of personal preference and may not be the most intuitive for everyone. However, using primed coordinates in this notation allows for a clear and concise representation of the equations, making it easier to understand and work with.

In the end, whether to use primed coordinates or not depends on the specific problem at hand and the preferences of the scientist. In some cases, dl, da, and dτ may work just as well, but in others, primed coordinates may be necessary for a more accurate and efficient solution.
 

Related to Why use primed coordinates for this

1. Why do scientists use primed coordinates for certain calculations?

Primed coordinates are often used in scientific calculations because they allow for a simpler and more efficient representation of mathematical equations. This can make it easier to analyze and interpret data, especially in complex systems.

2. How do primed coordinates differ from unprimed coordinates?

Unprimed coordinates are typically used to represent the position or motion of an object in a specific frame of reference. Primed coordinates, on the other hand, are used to represent the same information but in a different frame of reference. This can be useful when studying systems with multiple moving parts or when analyzing data from different perspectives.

3. What are the advantages of using primed coordinates over unprimed coordinates?

One of the main advantages of using primed coordinates is that they can simplify complex mathematical equations by reducing the number of variables needed. This can also make it easier to visualize and understand the behavior of a system. Additionally, primed coordinates can help identify patterns and relationships that may not be apparent when using unprimed coordinates.

4. Can primed coordinates be used for any type of scientific calculation?

Primed coordinates can be used for a wide range of scientific calculations, such as in physics, engineering, and mathematics. However, they are most commonly used in situations where analyzing motion and position is crucial, such as in dynamics and kinematics.

5. Are there any limitations to using primed coordinates?

While primed coordinates offer many advantages, they may not be suitable for all types of calculations. In some cases, unprimed coordinates may be more appropriate, such as when studying static systems or when the frame of reference is fixed. Additionally, using primed coordinates may require more complex mathematical operations and may not always result in a simpler representation.

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