What is the relationship between entropy and the irreversibility of a process?

In summary, the conversation discusses an irreversible cycle process involving a cylinder filled with gas and the following processes: isothermal compression, adiabatic expansion, and isochor heating. It is mentioned that in a completely reversible cycle, the total entropy change is zero, but in this case where there is heat exchange with a reservoir, the entropy change cannot be considered zero. The conversation also includes a question about the change in entropy of the heat reservoir, which is explained to be negative due to the reservoir losing entropy while heating the gas. Overall, the conversation highlights the relationship between heat exchange, temperature, and entropy in a cycle process.
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Abigale
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Hi,
I regard a irreversible cycle process.

It is a cylinder filled with gas, which underlies the following processes:

12: isothermal compression (reversible)
23: adiabatic expansion (reversible)
31: isochor heating (irreversible) [This happens by connecting the cylinder with a heat reservoir]

I have callculated for the irreversible process 13, that [itex]Δs_{\text{gas}} > 0[/itex] and [itex]Δs_{\text{heat reservoir}} >0[/itex].

So the [itex]Δs_{\text{gas+reservoir}}[/itex] for the full cycle should be >0.

If i would have a completely reversible process, would the enropy change of the working gas be zero?
(After the whole cycle?)

THX
Abby
 
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In a completely reversible cycle the total entropy change is zero, yes. But in this case you cannot consider some heat exchange with the heat reservoir (it is irreversible).

Also, I have a question. How come [itex] \Delta S_{heat~reservoir}>0[/itex]? If the reservoir heats the gas, then by $$dS=\frac{\delta Q}{T}$$ this should give a negative or zero value (since we're talking of a reservoir, the heat exchange may be so small compared to the reservoir's capacity that one may just consider it zero). The reservoir heats the gas, thus [itex]\delta Q\leq0[/itex].
 
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kevinferreira said:
In a completely reversible cycle the total entropy change is zero, yes. But in this case you cannot consider some heat exchange with the heat reservoir (it is irreversible).

Also, I have a question. How come [itex] \Delta S_{heat~reservoir}>0[/itex]? If the reservoir heats the gas, then by $$dS=\frac{\delta Q}{T}$$ this should give a negative or zero value (since we're talking of a reservoir, the heat exchange may be so small compared to the reservoir's capacity that one may just consider it zero). The reservoir heats the gas, thus [itex]\delta Q\leq0[/itex].

If the reservoir is at a higher temperature [itex](T_{hot})[/itex] than the system being heated [itex](T_{cold})[/itex] then entropy [itex]\delta Q/T_{hot}[/itex] is lost by the reservoir $$\Delta S_{heat~reservoir}=-\delta Q/T_{hot}$$ and entropy [itex]\delta Q/T_{cold}[/itex] is gained by the system. $$\Delta S_{system}=\delta Q/T_{cold}$$ The total entropy is $$\Delta S_{total}=\delta Q/T_{cold}-\delta Q/T_{hot}$$ which you can see is positive. Since entropy is lost by the reservoir, the change in entropy of the reservoir is negative, not positive.
 
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Related to What is the relationship between entropy and the irreversibility of a process?

1. What is entropy and how does it relate to irreversible processes?

Entropy is a measure of the disorder or randomness in a system. In irreversible processes, entropy always increases due to the dissipation of energy and the tendency of systems to move towards a state of maximum disorder.

2. Why are irreversible processes considered to be less efficient?

Irreversible processes are considered less efficient because they involve the loss of energy in the form of heat due to friction, which cannot be recovered and used for useful work. This results in a decrease in the overall energy available for useful work.

3. Can entropy be reversed in a process?

No, according to the second law of thermodynamics, entropy can never decrease in an isolated system. This means that entropy cannot be reversed in a process and will always increase in irreversible processes.

4. How does entropy relate to the concept of time?

Entropy is often associated with the direction of time. In irreversible processes, entropy always increases over time, resulting in a decrease in the amount of usable energy. This is why irreversible processes are often referred to as "the arrow of time".

5. What are some real-life examples of irreversible processes?

Some real-life examples of irreversible processes include the burning of fuel, the expansion of a gas into a vacuum, and the flow of heat from a hot object to a cooler one. In all of these processes, entropy increases and energy is lost in the form of heat.

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