Some questions relating topology and manifolds

In summary, the conversation is about the criteria for being a topological manifold and specifically whether R^n fulfills this criteria. It is determined that R^n is indeed second countable due to the existence of a countable neighborhood basis consisting of open balls with rational centers. It is also noted that if a space is metrizable, it is second countable if and only if it is separable. The conversation ends with a mention of how this relates to calculus and the concept of "for every epsilon there is a delta".
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Hymne
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Hello there!
I just started reading Topological manifolds by John Lee and got one questions regarding the material.
I am thankful for any advice or answer!

The criteria for being a topological manifold is that the space is second countantable ( = there exists a countable neighborhood basis?).
I can't see why R^n fulfills this criteria.. the neighborhood basis for q is all the open sets that contain q. And if we view these as all the open balls with a radius varying on the reell line, these are not countable due to the incountability of R.. right?

In which way is R^n second countable? :confused:
 
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Take only the balls with rational centers. Thus your basis should be
[tex]\mathcal{B}=\{B(q,1/n)~\vert~q\in \mathbb{Q},~n\in \mathbb{N}_0\}[/tex]

In fact, if your space in metrizable, then the space is second countable if and only if it is separable. And [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex] is separable, since it contains [tex]\mathbb{Q}[/tex] as countable dense subset...
 
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Just to pick up some low-hanging fruit from Micromass' response, you can see how
every metric space is also 1st-countable, by using { B(q,1/n): n in Z+ }.
 
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this is exactly why in calculus, in order to show "for every epsilon there is a delta", it suffices to take epsilon equal to 1/n for all positive integers n. I.e. there are uncountably many real epsilons, but it suffices to look only at the countable set of 1/n's
 
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Hi there! Great to hear that you are reading John Lee's book on topological manifolds. It's a great resource for understanding this topic.

To answer your question, yes, you are correct that the neighborhood basis for a point q in R^n would be all the open balls with varying radii along the real line. However, keep in mind that the definition of a countable neighborhood basis is that for any point in the space, there exists a countable collection of open sets that contain that point.

In the case of R^n, we can construct a countable neighborhood basis by considering all open balls with rational radii and centers at points with rational coordinates. Since the set of rational numbers is countable, this collection of open sets would also be countable.

Therefore, R^n does fulfill the criteria of being second countable and can be classified as a topological manifold. I hope this helps clarify things for you. Happy reading!
 

Related to Some questions relating topology and manifolds

1. What is topology?

Topology is a branch of mathematics that studies the properties of geometric objects that remain unchanged when they are stretched, bent, or deformed. It focuses on the study of spaces and their structural relationships, rather than on specific geometric shapes.

2. What are manifolds?

A manifold is a topological space that locally resembles Euclidean space, meaning it looks like a flat plane or a curved surface. It is a generalization of the concept of a surface in three-dimensional space. Manifolds can have any number of dimensions, but the most commonly studied ones are one-dimensional curves and two-dimensional surfaces.

3. What is the difference between a topological space and a manifold?

A topological space is a set of points with a certain structure, while a manifold is a topological space that locally resembles Euclidean space. In other words, a manifold is a topological space with additional geometric structure.

4. What are some applications of topology and manifolds?

Topology and manifolds have many applications in various fields, such as physics, engineering, and computer science. They are used to model and analyze complex systems, such as networks, fluid flow, and shape recognition. In physics, topology and manifolds are essential in understanding the structure of space and time in theories like general relativity and quantum mechanics.

5. How do you determine the dimension of a manifold?

The dimension of a manifold is the number of independent coordinates needed to describe it. For example, a one-dimensional manifold, such as a circle, can be described using one coordinate (angle), while a two-dimensional manifold, like a sphere, requires two coordinates (latitude and longitude). In general, the dimension of a manifold is equal to the number of dimensions of the Euclidean space it locally resembles.

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