Snell's Law and complex refractive indices

In summary, the conversation revolves around trying to understand the complex refractive index and its role in determining the angle of refraction and phase change in light waves incident to a planar interface. While there is a formula that seems promising, it only works for certain values and there is confusion about how to interpret the complex angle of refraction. Some sources suggest using just the real part of the refractive index, while others argue for using the full complex index. The absorption coefficient is also mentioned as a factor in the Beer-Lambert law, but there seems to be additional complexities at play when dealing with absorbing media. Ultimately, the OP is seeking clarification in order to move forward with their project.
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OK, I've looked around the net but there just doesn't seem to be a straightforward answer that doesn't require you to be an electromagnetics guru, so I'm hoping someone on here can help me out.

I have a light wave incident to a planar interface, coming from a medium with complex refractive index $n_1 + i k_1$, the other side of the interface is a medium with complex refractive index $n_2 + i k_2$. The light wave is incident with the interface normal at an angle $\theta_\text{i}$. You can assume optical wavelengths.

1. What is the (real) angle of refraction $\theta_\text{t}$? Snell's Law here gives a complex angle, which doesn't really make much sense to me. What direction does the refracted wave go in?

2. Is there a phase change upon reflection or transmission? I know about the $\pi$ phase change upon reflection from a medium with higher refractive index, but what does "higher" mean when the indices are complex? Higher real part, or modulus, or something else? And is there any other phase change?

Basically, I'm confused big time about reflection/refraction from absorbing media.

For question 1, I found the following expression in "Descartes-Snell law of refraction with absorption":

$$\frac{\sin \theta_\text{i}}{\sin \theta_\text{t}} = \frac{n_2 \left ( 1 - \frac{k_2^2}{n_2^2} \right )}{n_1}$$

Which looked promising, but it does not work at all when $k_2 \geq n_2$, and for instance for copper, $k = 2.558$ and $n = 1.133$ for 500nm wavelength, so either I am failing to understand the equation, or my data is wrong.

I'm not looking for a "physics student" answer, but actual equations for $\sin \theta_\text{t}$, I'd just like to figure this out so I can move on to the rest of my project, since I need to model absorbing media. Thanks for your insight!
 
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  • #2
Bacterius said:
OK, I've looked around the net but there just doesn't seem to be a straightforward answer that doesn't require you to be an electromagnetics guru, so I'm hoping someone on here can help me out.

I have a light wave incident to a planar interface, coming from a medium with complex refractive index $n_1 + i k_1$, the other side of the interface is a medium with complex refractive index $n_2 + i k_2$. The light wave is incident with the interface normal at an angle $\theta_\text{i}$. You can assume optical wavelengths.

1. What is the (real) angle of refraction $\theta_\text{t}$? Snell's Law here gives a complex angle, which doesn't really make much sense to me. What direction does the refracted wave go in?

2. Is there a phase change upon reflection or transmission? I know about the $\pi$ phase change upon reflection from a medium with higher refractive index, but what does "higher" mean when the indices are complex? Higher real part, or modulus, or something else? And is there any other phase change?

Basically, I'm confused big time about reflection/refraction from absorbing media.

For question 1, I found the following expression in "Descartes-Snell law of refraction with absorption":

$$\frac{\sin \theta_\text{i}}{\sin \theta_\text{t}} = \frac{n_2 \left ( 1 - \frac{k_2^2}{n_2^2} \right )}{n_1}$$

Which looked promising, but it does not work at all when $k_2 \geq n_2$, and for instance for copper, $k = 2.558$ and $n = 1.133$ for 500nm wavelength, so either I am failing to understand the equation, or my data is wrong.

I'm not looking for a "physics student" answer, but actual equations for $\sin \theta_\text{t}$, I'd just like to figure this out so I can move on to the rest of my project, since I need to model absorbing media. Thanks for your insight!

Hi Bacterius!

Sorry for playing the role of "physics student". ;)

As you can see in wiki:
When light passes through a medium, some part of it will always be absorbed. This can be conveniently taken into account by defining a complex index of refraction,
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Here, the real part of the refractive index
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indicates the phase speed, while the imaginary part
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indicates the amount of absorption loss when the electromagnetic wave propagates through the material.

In other words, you should do your calculations with just the real part and you're good to go.

I'm not aware of this formula from "
Descartes-Snell law of refraction with absorption" you quote... it doesn't seem right to me.
 
  • #3
Thanks for the reply ILikeSerena - but I still have a few questions.

1. If I could just chop off the imaginary part and keep the real part for the angle calculations, why make it a complex number? Why not two different variables? There must be some way this complex number, as a whole, is advantageous in some calculations?

2. I found this link online: http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/Snells-Law-going-into-metal-*_82.html

I quote:

Okay, so I have a complex refractive index for a metal. I want to
calculate the direction of the ray going into the metal (to be quickly
absorbed of course). Do I just use Snell's Law with the real part of
the refractive index?

...

Use the complex refractive index and get a complex angle of refraction.
Then you just have to figure out what the complex angle of refraction
means.

...

No. Use Snell's law with the full blown complex index. Calculate the complex
angle of refraction. Then you can interpret what that means.

Using the methods in Ramo and Whinnery, you can calculate how an oblique
plane wave refracts into and propagates within the metal.

They could all be wrong, of course but I am still confused. I consulted the links but.. I don't understand a thing (Nerd)

I know the absorption coefficient is also used in the Beer-Lambert law to attenuate light waves exponentially with distance travelled, but there seems to be *something* additional happening at the interface with complex refractive angles.

But Fresnel's been kicking my butt all night with his equations... I will probably just ignore the imaginary part until this is resolved, but apparently that's not good enough for metals :(

Besides, anything that looks like an imaginary number was tacked on it just feels like magic to me. How do physicists come up with this stuff?! (Smoking)
 
  • #4
Just as a side note: using complex numbers in the middle of a calculation, and then taking the real part in the end is a standard procedure in a number of disciplines such as circuit theory. The difference is that complex arithmetic essentially gives you vector arithmetic in a convenient form. That's why it is sometimes incorrect to use real arithmetic in the middle of the calculation.
 
  • #5
Bacterius said:
Thanks for the reply ILikeSerena - but I still have a few questions.

1. If I could just chop off the imaginary part and keep the real part for the angle calculations, why make it a complex number? Why not two different variables? There must be some way this complex number, as a whole, is advantageous in some calculations?

2. I found this link online: http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/Snells-Law-going-into-metal-*_82.html

I quote:
They could all be wrong, of course but I am still confused. I consulted the links but.. I don't understand a thing (Nerd)

I know the absorption coefficient is also used in the Beer-Lambert law to attenuate light waves exponentially with distance travelled, but there seems to be *something* additional happening at the interface with complex refractive angles.

But Fresnel's been kicking my butt all night with his equations... I will probably just ignore the imaginary part until this is resolved, but apparently that's not good enough for metals :(

Besides, anything that looks like an imaginary number was tacked on it just feels like magic to me. How do physicists come up with this stuff?! (Smoking)

It fits conveniently.

Electromagnetic waves are usually modeled with an equation of the form $e^{i(\mathbf k \cdot \mathbf x - \omega t)}$.
Put in an imaginary constant and you'll get something which contains $e^{i(n + i \kappa)} = e^{-\kappa}e^{in}$.
In other words, the real part still behaves like a "regular" refraction, but you get an extra component for free that describes how the wave is reduced in intensity.
Somehow it feels right: it fits so beautifully in a formula, just as if nature intended it that way.

As for your quote: I guess it's fine to find a nice complex refraction angle - just be aware that it is the real part that identifies the angle, whereas the imaginary part identifies how much its intensity diminishes (the quote does suggest that you need to know how to interpret it).
 
  • #6
ILikeSerena said:
It fits conveniently.

Electromagnetic waves are usually modeled with an equation of the form $e^{i(\mathbf k \cdot \mathbf x - \omega t)}$.
Put in an imaginary constant and you'll get something which contains $e^{i(n + i \kappa)} = e^{-\kappa}e^{in}$.
In other words, the real part still behaves like a "regular" refraction, but you get an extra component for free that describes how the wave is reduced in intensity.
Somehow it feels right: it fits so beautifully in a formula, just as if nature intended it that way.

As for your quote: I guess it's fine to find a nice complex refraction angle - just be aware that it is the real part that identifies the angle, whereas the imaginary part identifies how much its intensity diminishes (the quote does suggest that you need to know how to interpret it).

Thanks for the answer. So what I should do is compute the sine using Snell's with the real part of the refractive index and just use the imaginary part with e^(-kx) to model absorption (that I know how to do :D)?

Reduced in intensity as in, as it travels within the medium? Or a sharp intensity loss at the interface? Is there *ever* any non-negligible energy loss at an interface, at least at optical wavelengths? Thought I'd ask :)

It's starting to make a lot more sense now, electromagnetics can be very confusing for a poor computer graphics developer just trying to get things right! (Tmi) Thanks to everyone who answered by the way!
 
  • #7
Bacterius said:
Thanks for the answer. So what I should do is compute the sine using Snell's with the real part of the refractive index and just use the imaginary part with e^(-kx) to model absorption (that I know how to do :D)?

Reduced in intensity as in, as it travels within the medium? Or a sharp intensity loss at the interface? Is there *ever* any non-negligible energy loss at an interface, at least at optical wavelengths? Thought I'd ask :)

It's starting to make a lot more sense now, electromagnetics can be very confusing for a poor computer graphics developer just trying to get things right! (Tmi) Thanks to everyone who answered by the way!

Yep.

In glass the decay is not noticeable and $\kappa \approx 0$.
In metal the intensity decays exponentially.
The word skin depth is used to identify the distance where the intensity has decreased by $e^{-1}$.

As far as I know, there is no noticeable loss at the interface.
 
  • #8
Thank you again :)

One last question: when you say in glass the absorption coefficient is almost zero, it still decays exponentially, right? (just really slowly?). It doesn't "become linear" at some critical coefficient or something like that :confused: just checking I've got everything
 
  • #9
Bacterius said:
Thank you again :)

One last question: when you say in glass the absorption coefficient is almost zero, it still decays exponentially, right? (just really slowly?). It doesn't "become linear" at some critical coefficient or something like that :confused: just checking I've got everything

Yes, it always decays exponentially.

And it's almost zero... for visible wave lengths.
Infrared now is an entirely different matter - glass looks black where infrared is concerned (try it with an infrared camera).

I used to work for a company working with infrared leds.
At some point in time I complained that I couldn't see whether they were on or not.
I had a colleague that was surprised - he said he could simply see it.
Then I learned that when I took my glasses off, I could see it! :D
 
  • #10
Suppose the intensity would decay linearly in glass at some point.
Then at a distance very very far into the glass, it would reach zero... and then become negative...
That's a contradiction.
Therefore a wave does not decay linearly. $\qquad \blacksquare$
 

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1. What is Snell's Law?

Snell's Law, also known as the Law of Refraction, is a fundamental principle in optics that describes the relationship between the angle of incidence and the angle of refraction when light passes through a boundary between two different media.

2. How is Snell's Law expressed mathematically?

Snell's Law is expressed as n1sin(θ1) = n2sin(θ2), where n1 and n2 are the refractive indices of the two media, and θ1 and θ2 are the angles of incidence and refraction, respectively.

3. What is a refractive index?

A refractive index is a measure of how much a material can bend or refract light. It is defined as the ratio of the speed of light in a vacuum to the speed of light in the material.

4. What is a complex refractive index?

A complex refractive index is a refractive index that has both a real and imaginary part. The real part represents the refractive index for the propagation of light, while the imaginary part represents the absorption of light in the material.

5. What are some real-world applications of Snell's Law and complex refractive indices?

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