Schwarzchild and Reissner-Nordstrom singularities

In summary, the Schwarzschild metric and the R-N metric have different types of singularities (spacelike and timelike, respectively) due to the difference in charge. While the SC metric is a good approximation for slightly charged black holes, the nature of the singularity is not a good approximation for that particular part of the system. The physical collapse of a charged black hole is expected to result in a spacelike singularity, as evidenced by studies on the gravitational collapse of a self-gravitating charged scalar-field. The BKL metric is a more accurate solution for the interior region compared to the Schwarzschild metric. However, the interior structure of a charged collapse is not as well understood as the Schwarzschild
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The Schwarzschild metric has a spacelike singularity, while the R-N metric has a timelike one. The difference between the two physical systems is charge. Obviously you've a very slightly charged black hole, the SC metric is a good approximation because Q/M is too small to really be worried about. However, the change from spacelike to timelike (and vice versa) singularities is not a continuous one, it's a discrete one.

The discrete nature of the singularity seems to be a fundamental difference (particularly when you're drawing Penrose diagrams, the staple diagram of my black hole course ATM) so I'm having a bit of trouble getting my head around how you could have a good approximation using the SC metric. It seems to me the nature of the singularity isn't a good approximation for that particular part of the system?
 
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I believe that actual physical collapse of a charged black-hole is expected to give a spacelike singularity.

I'm basing this statement on

http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9902008

We study the gravitational collapse of a self-gravitating charged scalar-field. Starting with a regular spacetime, we follow the evolution through the formation of an apparent horizon, a Cauchy horizon and a final central singularity. We find a null, weak, mass-inflation singularity along the Cauchy horizon, which is a precursor of a strong, spacelike singularity along the $r=0$ hypersurface. The inner black hole region is bounded (in the future) by singularities. This resembles the classical inner structure of a Schwarzschild black hole and it is remarkably different from the inner structure of a charged static Reissner-Nordstr"om or a stationary rotating Kerr black holes.

To try and clarify this a bit:

The Schwarzschild solution is a valid solution to Einstein's equation, and is stable in the exterior region. However, it is not expected to be stable in the interior region, and physically collapsing objects instead are expected to have a metric known as a BKL metric in the interior region, rather than the Schwarzschild metric.

(This is talked about in one of Thorne's excellent popular books on black holes, for a very terse online reference see

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/BKLSingularity.html.

The BKL metric is chaotic).

The R-N black hole is similar to the Schwarzschild solution. It is a mathematical solution to Einstein's equations, but it is not expected to be stable in the interior region (beyond the event horizon).

The expected physical solution for a charged collapse is not as well understood as the Schwarzschild case, but is felt to be likely (see the paper I quoted earlier) to have a significantly different interior structure than the R-N black hole. (In fact it is expected to be somewhat similar to the usual picture of the Schwarzschild black hole).

This is as much as I know - if anyone has any further information I would be interested in hearing about it.
 
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The concept of singularities in black holes is a fascinating and complex topic in physics. The Schwarzchild and Reissner-Nordstrom singularities are two types of singularities that occur in different types of black holes. The key difference between them is the presence of charge in the black hole, which leads to a change from a spacelike to a timelike singularity.

As you mentioned, the discrete nature of these singularities is a fundamental difference and can be seen in Penrose diagrams. This is because the nature of the singularity is not a continuous one, but rather a discrete one. In the case of a slightly charged black hole, the Schwarzchild metric is a good approximation because the ratio of charge to mass is small enough to be negligible. However, as the charge increases, the nature of the singularity changes and the Reissner-Nordstrom metric becomes a better approximation.

It is important to note that the singularity is a mathematical concept and does not necessarily reflect the physical reality of a black hole. It is a point where the equations describing the black hole break down, and we still do not fully understand what happens at the singularity. Therefore, using the SC metric can still provide valuable insights and approximations for certain aspects of the black hole, even though it may not fully capture the nature of the singularity.

In conclusion, the difference between the Schwarzchild and Reissner-Nordstrom singularities is a result of the presence of charge in the black hole. While the nature of the singularity is a discrete one, using the SC metric can still provide useful approximations in certain cases. The study of black holes and their singularities is an ongoing and complex field, and we continue to learn more about these mysterious objects.
 

Related to Schwarzchild and Reissner-Nordstrom singularities

1. What is a Schwarzchild singularity?

A Schwarzchild singularity is a theoretical concept in physics that describes a point of infinite density and zero volume at the center of a black hole. It is named after the German physicist Karl Schwarzchild, who first proposed the idea in 1916.

2. What is a Reissner-Nordstrom singularity?

A Reissner-Nordstrom singularity is a theoretical concept in physics that describes a point of infinite density and zero volume at the center of a charged black hole. It is named after the German physicist Hans Reissner and the Swedish physicist Gunnar Nordstrom, who independently proposed the idea in 1916.

3. How are Schwarzchild and Reissner-Nordstrom singularities different?

The main difference between Schwarzchild and Reissner-Nordstrom singularities is that the latter includes the concept of electric charge. While a Schwarzchild singularity describes a black hole with no charge, a Reissner-Nordstrom singularity describes a black hole with an electric charge.

4. What is the significance of these singularities?

Singularities in general relativity are important because they represent points where the known laws of physics break down. In the case of Schwarzchild and Reissner-Nordstrom singularities, they are thought to be the point where the curvature of space-time becomes infinitely large, leading to the collapse of matter into a single point.

5. Can we observe these singularities?

No, we cannot observe Schwarzchild and Reissner-Nordstrom singularities directly as they are hidden behind the event horizon of a black hole. However, we can indirectly study them through their effects on the surrounding space-time, such as the bending of light and the accretion of matter into the black hole.

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