Raisin pudding or balloon at LHC

In summary, both the 'raisin pudding' analogy and the balloon analogy serve to illustrate the same reality, with no physical experiment giving grounds for preferring one over the other. The balloon analogy requires a concentration on the 2D surface while the raisin pudding analogy imagines a 3D space with no boundaries. Both models can handle infinite or finite volume space and do not include extra dimensions.
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If the LHC discovers energy evaporating to other branes, will the 'raisin pudding' analogy be abandoned in favor of the balloon analogy?
 
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If the LHC discovers energy evaporating to other branes, will the 'raisin pudding' analogy be abandoned in favor of the balloon analogy?

Properly understood both analogies illustrate the same reality.

There is no physical experiment that would give grounds for preferring one over the other.

To use the balloon analogy correctly you need to concentrate---think of all existence as concentrated on the surface of the balloon. The room inside the balloon does not exist nor does the room outside---only the 2D surface and whatever 2D beings might live there.

To handle the infinite space case with the balloon is difficult, you have to think of the balloon as so large it is effectively flat, and still expanding.

To use the raisin pudding analogy correctly you need to imagine that the pudding has no boundary, no edge, no "pudding pan", no top, no bottom. It fills all 3D space. Or for the finite volume case it fills the 3D hypersphere (topologically equivalent to 3D space with a point at infinity added.)

Either toy model will handle either case---finite or infinite volume space. Neither toy model, correctly understood, has extra dimensions.
 

Related to Raisin pudding or balloon at LHC

What is "raisin pudding" or "balloon" at LHC?

"Raisin pudding" and "balloon" are two nicknames given to a phenomenon observed at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the world's largest and most powerful particle accelerator. These nicknames refer to the formation of tiny bubbles or voids in the supercooled liquid helium used to cool the LHC's powerful magnets. This phenomenon is caused by the high energy particles produced during collisions in the LHC and can potentially damage the accelerator if not properly controlled.

How does "raisin pudding" or "balloon" affect the LHC?

The formation of "raisin pudding" or "balloon" can cause the liquid helium to heat up, which in turn can lead to disruptions in the LHC's operations. This can result in delays and even damage to the accelerator. Therefore, it is important for scientists to monitor and control this phenomenon to ensure the smooth functioning of the LHC.

What steps are taken to prevent "raisin pudding" or "balloon" at LHC?

To prevent the formation of "raisin pudding" or "balloon" at the LHC, scientists use a process called "quenching." This involves rapidly heating the affected area to turn the bubbles into gas and prevent them from expanding. Additionally, the LHC is equipped with sensors and monitoring systems that can detect and alert scientists of any potential issues related to "raisin pudding" or "balloon."

What potential risks are associated with "raisin pudding" or "balloon" at LHC?

The formation of "raisin pudding" or "balloon" poses a risk to the LHC's operations and can potentially lead to delays and damage. In extreme cases, it can also cause the LHC to shut down, requiring costly repairs and lengthy downtime. However, scientists are continuously researching and implementing measures to prevent and control this phenomenon to minimize any potential risks.

How does studying "raisin pudding" or "balloon" at LHC contribute to scientific research?

Studying "raisin pudding" or "balloon" at the LHC provides valuable insights into the behavior of matter at extremely high energies. It allows scientists to better understand the fundamental forces that govern the universe and can potentially lead to new discoveries and advancements in scientific research. Additionally, the techniques and technologies developed to control "raisin pudding" or "balloon" at the LHC can have applications in other fields, such as medicine and industry.

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