Question from Lanczos book - genearlized momentum

In summary, the conversation was about obtaining equation 53.5 from 53.4 in Cornelius Lanczos' book on Variational Principles of Mechanics. The generalized momentum was defined as the derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to the velocities in eq. 53.4, and in eq. 53.5, it was stated that the derivatives of the generalized momenta are equal to the derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to the positions. This was derived from the Euler-Lagrange equations. The equation used to derive this was shown to be p_{\alpha} = {\partial{\mathcal{L}}}/{\partial v_{\alpha}} .
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jackiefrost
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If you have the 4th ed. of Cornelius Lanczos' book on Variational Principles of Mechanics, could you explain to me how he got from eq. 53.4 to 53.5 (page 121). Eq. 53.4 defines the generalized momentum as the derivative of the Lagrangian, L, with respect to the velocities. Then, in eq. 53.5 he refers to the derivatives of the generalized momenta as equaling the derivative of L with respect to the positions. Is this right? This seems so simple yet for some reason (or lack thereof :blushing:) I'm not seeing the math from 53.4 to 53.5.

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I don't think everyone has this book, so could you please write down the equations that he mentions?
 
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It follows from the Euler-Lagrange equations:

[tex] \frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial{\mathcal{L}}}{\partial v_{\alpha}} = \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial x_{\alpha}} .[/tex]​

Setting [tex] p_{\alpha} = {\partial{\mathcal{L}}}/{\partial v_{\alpha}} [/tex] in this, you get
[tex] \frac{d p_{\alpha} }{dt} = \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial x_{\alpha}} .[/tex]​
 
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Thanks dx! Don't know why I didn't seen that.
 

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1. What is the concept of generalized momentum in Lanczos' book?

Generalized momentum is a concept in classical mechanics that extends the idea of momentum to non-conservative systems. In his book "The Variational Principles of Mechanics", Cornelius Lanczos defines generalized momentum as the product of the mass and the velocity, modified by a term that takes into account the forces acting on the system.

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5. Can generalized momentum be applied in other branches of physics?

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