Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitor Questions

In summary, the problem involves three conducting plates with the outer plates connected by a wire and the inner plate carrying a charge of 10 esu per cm^2. By applying the limit of large or infinite area, the charge must divide itself into surface charges on the top and bottom faces of the middle plate in a certain proportion. Using the equations QT / CT = QB / CB and sigT + sigB = sigTot = 10 esu/cm^2, it is determined that the surface charges on the inner surfaces of the outer plates must be negative and the values of the charges on the outer surfaces depend on the initial charge of the outer configuration. The six charged surfaces can be treated as six infinite sheets of charge, resulting in
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This is problem 3.8 from Purcell's E&M.

Three conducting plates are placed parallel to one another. The outer plates are connected by a wire. The inner plate is isolated and carries a charge of 10 esu per cm^2. In what proportion must this charge divide itself into a surface charge on the top face and a surface charge on the bottom face of the middle plate.

Top plate
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5cm
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Middle plate
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8cm
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Bottom plate
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Applying the limit of large or even infinite area, my approach is based on the idea that the two connected plates must be at the same potential and in particular have the same potential difference from the middle plate...
QT / CT = QB / CB ==> QT 4 pi sT / A = QB 4 pi sB / A == >

sigT sT = sigB sB

Where sig is the surface charge on the one side of the plate and s is the distance between the middle plate and one of the others. Combine with

sigT + sigB = sigTot = 10 esu/cm^2

to conclude:

sigB = sigTot (sT/(sT+sB)) = 50/13 esu/cm^2
sigT = sigTot (sB/(sT+sB)) = 80/13 esu/cm^2

It follows that the inner surfaces of the outer plates must have the negative values of these charges.

What I am struggling with is how the charge is distributed on the outer surfaces of the outer plates. For example if the outer plate configuration has no net charge then are the outer surfaces the opposite of the inner surfaces (80/13 and 50/15 again) or are they equal (5 and 5)? What if the outer configuration starts with a charge Q?

Finally, however the charges are distributed can the six charged surfaces (top and bottom of each plane) be treated as six infinite sheets of charge? If so doesn't this give some residual field inside the conductors?
 
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The answer to your questions are as follows: if the outer plate configuration has no net charge, then the outer surfaces will be the opposite of the inner surfaces (80/13 and 50/15). If the outer configuration starts with a charge Q, then the outer surfaces will have charges proportional to the initial charge.Yes, you can treat the six charged surfaces as six infinite sheets of charge. This will result in a residual field inside the conductors, which is calculated by taking the divergence of the electric field at each point.
 

Related to Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitor Questions

What is a Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitor?

A Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitor is a type of capacitor that consists of three parallel plates, with the middle plate being smaller than the other two. It is named after physicist Edward Mills Purcell who first described it in his book "Electricity and Magnetism" in 1965.

How does a Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitor work?

In a Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitor, the capacitance of the device is primarily determined by the distance between the two larger plates. However, the presence of the smaller middle plate causes a “tricky” effect, making the capacitance of the device appear to be much larger than it actually is. This effect is due to the electric field lines being distorted by the presence of the middle plate, resulting in an increase in effective capacitance.

What are some applications of Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitors?

Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitors are commonly used in radio frequency (RF) circuits, such as in filters and oscillators. They are also used in high voltage applications, as the presence of the smaller middle plate helps to evenly distribute the electric field, reducing the risk of breakdown.

What are the advantages of using a Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitor?

Compared to traditional parallel plate capacitors, a Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitor has a larger effective capacitance without requiring a larger physical size. This makes it a more compact and efficient choice for use in electronic circuits.

What are the limitations of Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitors?

One limitation of Purcell Tricky Three Plate Capacitors is that they can only be used for low frequency applications, as higher frequencies can cause the “tricky” effect to break down. Additionally, the presence of the smaller middle plate can also introduce unwanted inductance into the circuit, limiting its usefulness in certain applications.

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