Proving Countability of A: Real Numbers with Only 5 and 7 in Decimal Expansion

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In summary, the conversation discusses the set A defined as all real numbers in the interval [7,8) that have only 5 and 7 in their decimal expansion. The task is to prove that A is countable and to show that it is the same size as the set of all subsets of natural numbers.
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Let A be the set of all real numbers in the interval [7,8) that have only 5 and 7 in their decimal expansion. A is defined by

A:={7.a1a2a3|ai ε {5,7} for all i ε [itex]\aleph[/itex]}

Prove A is countable.
 
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... Are you sure that's true?

Can you show that [itex]A[/itex] is the same size as [itex]\{S: \enspace S\subseteq \mathbb N\}[/itex]? Is the latter countable?
 
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show us what you've tried and where you're stuck, and then we'll know how to help :smile:
 
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To prove that A is countable, we can use the method of diagonalization. This method involves constructing a list of all possible elements in A and showing that each element can be mapped to a unique natural number, thus proving that A is countable.

First, let us consider the decimal expansion of the numbers in A. Since A only contains numbers with decimal expansions consisting of only 5 and 7, we can represent each number in A as a sequence of 0s, 5s, and 7s. For example, 7.57 would be represented as (0, 5, 7, 0, 0, ...).

Next, we can construct a list of all possible sequences of 0s, 5s, and 7s, starting with sequences of length 1, then 2, and so on. This list would look like:

(0), (5), (7), (0, 0), (0, 5), (0, 7), (5, 0), (5, 5), (5, 7), (7, 0), (7, 5), (7, 7), (0, 0, 0), (0, 0, 5), (0, 0, 7), ...

We can see that every possible sequence of 0s, 5s, and 7s is included in this list. Now, to show that each element in A can be mapped to a unique natural number, we can use the following mapping:

(0) --> 1
(5) --> 2
(7) --> 3
(0, 0) --> 4
(0, 5) --> 5
(0, 7) --> 6
(5, 0) --> 7
(5, 5) --> 8
(5, 7) --> 9
(7, 0) --> 10
(7, 5) --> 11
(7, 7) --> 12
(0, 0, 0) --> 13
(0, 0, 5) --> 14
(0, 0, 7) --> 15
...

This mapping ensures that each element in A is assigned a unique natural number, and thus, A is countable.

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Related to Proving Countability of A: Real Numbers with Only 5 and 7 in Decimal Expansion

1. How do you define countability in mathematics?

Countability in mathematics refers to the ability to assign a unique natural number to each element in a set. In other words, a set is considered countable if its elements can be arranged in a sequence and counted one by one.

2. What is the difference between countable and uncountable sets?

Countable sets have a one-to-one correspondence with the set of natural numbers, which means that they can be counted. On the other hand, uncountable sets are infinite and cannot be put into a one-to-one correspondence with the natural numbers.

3. How do you prove that the set of real numbers with only 5 and 7 in decimal expansion is countable?

To prove that a set is countable, we need to show that its elements can be listed in a sequence and counted. In this case, we can construct a list of all the real numbers with only 5 and 7 in decimal expansion, starting with 0.5, 0.7, 0.55, 0.57, 0.75, 0.77, and so on. Since each number in this list is unique, we can assign a natural number to each one, proving that the set is countable.

4. Can a set be both countable and uncountable?

No, a set cannot be both countable and uncountable. A set is either countable or uncountable, based on its cardinality and ability to be listed and counted.

5. How does the concept of countability relate to the real numbers with only 5 and 7 in decimal expansion?

The concept of countability relates to the real numbers with only 5 and 7 in decimal expansion because it allows us to determine the cardinality of this set. By proving that this set is countable, we can show that it is a subset of the countable set of real numbers, and therefore has a smaller cardinality than the uncountable set of all real numbers.

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