Prove that T(G) is subgroup of G

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In summary, the given axioms state that a subgroup T(G) must satisfy the following conditions: 1) for any elements a and b in T(G), their product ab must also be in T(G); 2) there must exist an identity element in T(G); and 3) for any element a in T(G), its inverse a^-1 must also be in T(G). The attempt at a solution shows that T(G) satisfies these conditions by using the given information and properties of subgroups. However, there are some errors in the proof, such as assuming m and n are the same in showing closure under the operation and not properly connecting the identity element of G to the identity element of T(G). Further clarification and
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subgroup axioms:

1. a, b in T(G), then ab in T(G)
2. existence of identity element.
3. a in T(G), then a^-1 in T(G)

The Attempt at a Solution



1.

let a be in T(G), then a^n = e.
let b be in T(G), then b^n = e

(ab)^n = (a^n)(b^n) = (e)(e) = e

axiom 1 holds.

2.

let e be in T(G), then e^n = e

conclusion: identity element, e, of G, must be 1.

3.

let a be in T(G), then a^n = e.

show that (a^-1)^n = e

(a^-1)^n = (a^n)^-1 = 1 / a^n = 1 / e

therefore

(a^-1)^n = 1 / e

we know from axiom 2 that e = 1, so:

1 / e = e.

Done.

Is my proof correct? there's not markscheme, can't check answer,
 
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There is an error in showing that T is closed under the operation. If x is in T then there exist some number, n, such that x^n= e. If y is in T then there exist some integer m such that y^m= e. You CANNOT assume that m and n are the same. So look at (xy)^{mn}= (x^n)^m(x^m)^n.

To show that there is an identity element you start by saying "Let e be in T(G) then e^n= e and then say "conclusion: identity element of G, e, is 1". That is meaningless!
First, there is no "1" mentioned in the problem. Further, you simply assert that e is in T(G), not that it is an identity element. Nothing you say there has any connection to there being an identity element in T(G).

Instead start by saying "Let e be the identity of G (NOT T(G)). Then, because e^n= e (for all n, not just one), e is in T(G). And since T(G) is a subgroup of G it is also true that ex= xe= x for any x in G. Therefore e, the identity for G, is also the identity for T(G).

Whether you can simply assert that (a^-1)^n= (a^n)^-1 depends upon previous theorems you have proved. Of course, it is true that, since G is abelian, (a^n)(a^-1)^n= e (do you see why "abelian is important?) so that (a^-1)^n= (a^n)^-1.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
There is an error in showing that T is closed under the operation. If x is in T then there exist some number, n, such that x^n= e. If y is in T then there exist some integer m such that y^m= e. You CANNOT assume that m and n are the same. So look at (xy)^{mn}= (x^n)^m(x^m)^n.

To show that there is an identity element you start by saying "Let e be in T(G) then e^n= e and then say "conclusion: identity element of G, e, is 1". That is meaningless!
First, there is no "1" mentioned in the problem. Further, you simply assert that e is in T(G), not that it is an identity element. Nothing you say there has any connection to there being an identity element in T(G).

Instead start by saying "Let e be the identity of G (NOT T(G)). Then, because e^n= e (for all n, not just one), e is in T(G). And since T(G) is a subgroup of G it is also true that ex= xe= x for any x in G. Therefore e, the identity for G, is also the identity for T(G).

Whether you can simply assert that (a^-1)^n= (a^n)^-1 depends upon previous theorems you have proved. Of course, it is true that, since G is abelian, (a^n)(a^-1)^n= e (do you see why "abelian is important?) so that (a^-1)^n= (a^n)^-1.
1.

a in T, there exists n such that a^n = e
b in T, there exists m such that b^m = e

(ab)^mn = (a^n)^m (b^m)^n = e^m e^n = e

axiom 1 holds.

2.

let e be identiy in G
e^n = e ==> e in T(G)

T(G) subgroup of G, it's also true that ea = ae =a for all a in G

conclusion: idenity of G, e, is also identity for T(G).

Axiom 2 holds.

3.

this is where I am confused:

Prove that : a in T(G) ====> a^-1 in T(G)

proof:

(a^-1)^n = e
(a^n) (a^-1)^n = (a^n) e
(a)^n (a^-1)^n = (a^n)
(a a^-1)^n = a^n
e^n = a^n

and a^n = e, so:

e^n = e

LHS = RHS

axiom 3 holds.

Am i going along the right lines?
 

Related to Prove that T(G) is subgroup of G

1. What is T(G) and G in this context?

T(G) is the set of all elements in a group G that can be obtained by performing a specific operation on any two elements in G. G is the original group that T(G) is a subset of.

2. How do you prove that T(G) is a subgroup of G?

To prove that T(G) is a subgroup of G, we need to show that T(G) satisfies the three properties of a subgroup: closure, associativity, and the existence of an identity element. This can be done by showing that the operation performed on any two elements in T(G) results in an element that is also in T(G), and that the identity element of G is also in T(G).

3. What is the significance of T(G) being a subgroup of G?

T(G) being a subgroup of G means that T(G) inherits all the properties of G, and can be seen as a smaller version of G that still follows the rules and structure of the original group. This allows for easier analysis and understanding of the group G as a whole.

4. Can T(G) be a subgroup of more than one group?

Yes, T(G) can be a subgroup of more than one group. This is because the operation used to define T(G) can vary between different groups, resulting in different subsets of elements that still follow the properties of a subgroup.

5. Are there any other ways to prove that T(G) is a subgroup of G?

Yes, there are other ways to prove that T(G) is a subgroup of G, such as showing that T(G) is closed under inverses and that it is a non-empty subset of G. However, the three properties mentioned earlier are the most common and straightforward ways to prove that T(G) is a subgroup.

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