Product of roots abcd in 4th degree equation

In summary, the conversation discusses a mathematical problem involving four distinct real numbers $a,b,c,d$ that satisfy a specific equation. After squaring both sides and simplifying, it is determined that the numbers must be the absolute values of the roots of a certain polynomial, and their product is equal to 11.
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juantheron
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If $a,b,c,d$ are distinct real no. such that

$a=\sqrt{4+\sqrt{5+a}}\;,b=\sqrt{4-\sqrt{5+b}}\;,c=\sqrt{4+\sqrt{5-c}}\;,d=\sqrt{4-\sqrt{5-d}}$. Then $abcd=$
 
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jacks said:
If $a,b,c,d$ are distinct real no. such that

$a=\sqrt{4+\sqrt{5+a}}\;,b=\sqrt{4-\sqrt{5+b}}\;,c=\sqrt{4+\sqrt{5-c}}\;,d=\sqrt{4-\sqrt{5-d}}$. Then $abcd=$

Hello.

[tex]a^4-8a^2-a+11=0[/tex]

[tex]b^4-8b^2-b+11=0[/tex]

[tex]c^4-8c^2+c+11=0[/tex]

[tex]d^4-8d^2+d+11=0[/tex]

Common roots "a" and "b":

[tex]r_1=-2.3710[/tex]

[tex]r_2=-1.4551[/tex]

[tex]r_3=1.2266[/tex]

[tex]r_4=2.5994[/tex]

Common roots "c" and "d":

[tex]s_1=2.3710[/tex]

[tex]s_2=1.4551[/tex]

[tex]s_3=-1.2266[/tex]

[tex]s_4=-2.5994[/tex]

There are several solutions product of roots.

A curiosity, jacks. Do you participate in a forum on Spanish?

Regards.
 
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jacks said:
If $a,b,c,d$ are distinct real no. such that

$a=\sqrt{4+\sqrt{5+a}}\;,b=\sqrt{4-\sqrt{5+b}}\;,c=\sqrt{4+\sqrt{5-c}}\;,d=\sqrt{4-\sqrt{5-d}}$. Then $abcd=$
In order to get a unique solution, I believe the question should say
If $a,b,c,d$ are distinct positive real nos. such that
$a=\sqrt{4+\sqrt{5+a}}\;,b=\sqrt{4-\sqrt{5+b}}\;,c=\sqrt{4+\sqrt{5-c}}\;,d=\sqrt{4-\sqrt{5-d}}$. Then $abcd=$ ?​
[sp]Then $a,b,c,d$ all satisfy the equation $x = \sqrt{4 \pm\sqrt{5\pm x}}$. Square both sides to get $x^2 - 4 = \pm\sqrt{5\pm x}$. Square both sides again, getting $(x^2-4)^2 = 5 \pm x$, or $x^4 - 8x^2 \pm x + 11 = 0$.

Now it is clear that $x$ is a solution of $x^4 - 8x^2 + x + 11 = 0$ if and only if $-x$ is a solution of $x^4 - 8x^2 - x + 11 = 0$. Also, the sum of the roots of $x^4 - 8x^2 + x + 11$ is $0$, and their product is $11$. Therefore, given that the roots are real, two of them must be positive and two negative. It follows that the numbers $a,b,c,d$ must be the absolute values of the roots of $x^4 - 8x^2 + x + 11$, and therefore their product is $11$.[/sp]
 

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1. What is a "Product of roots" in a 4th degree equation?

In a 4th degree equation, the "Product of roots" refers to the result obtained by multiplying all four roots of the equation together. This is also known as the "constant term" of the equation.

2. How is the "Product of roots" related to the coefficients of the 4th degree equation?

The "Product of roots" is directly related to the coefficients of the 4th degree equation through Vieta's formulas. These formulas state that the product of the roots is equal to the constant term of the equation divided by the leading coefficient.

3. Can the "Product of roots" be negative or complex?

Yes, the "Product of roots" can be negative or complex in some cases. This depends on the coefficients of the 4th degree equation and the values of the roots. For example, if the equation has two pairs of complex conjugate roots, the product of all four roots will be a negative real number.

4. How can the "Product of roots" be used to solve a 4th degree equation?

The "Product of roots" can be useful in solving a 4th degree equation by providing a starting point for finding the roots. By factoring the constant term and using Vieta's formulas, the possible values for the roots can be narrowed down, making it easier to solve the equation.

5. Are there any real-world applications of the "Product of roots" in 4th degree equations?

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