Points on a Circle: Find Value of 'a

In summary, the points (4,3),(-3,1),(1,a), and (1,5) do not lie on a circle when a is set to any value other than 1.
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Homework Statement


For what values of a do the points (4,3),(-3,1),(1,a), and (1,5) lie on a circle?

The Attempt at a Solution


So my solution came down to getting the equation a(x^2+y^2)+bx+cy+d=0
Making a matrix with the first three points, doing R1-R4, R2-R4, R3-R4, then reducing the matrix to a 3X3. After that you have the equation then sub in the last point and you get something like 0=-32a^2 - 344. My problem is that I am getting a square root of a negative number, what did I do wrong?
 
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Panphobia said:

Homework Statement


For what values of a do the points (4,3),(-3,1),(1,a), and (1,5) lie on a circle?



The Attempt at a Solution


So my solution came down to getting the equation a(x^2+y^2)+bx+cy+d=0
Making a matrix with the first three points, doing R1-R4, R2-R4, R3-R4, then reducing the matrix to a 3X3. After that you have the equation then sub in the last point and you get something like 0=-32a^2 - 344. My problem is that I am getting a square root of a negative number, what did I do wrong?

The only problem I see is that a is a coordinate of one of the points -- (1, a) -- and is also a variable in your equation -- a(x^2+y^2)+bx+cy+d=0. That could cause some confusion. Other than that, your overall strategy seems sound.

In row reducing a matrix, there are lots of opportunities for errors in arithmetic, so check the work you did. If you work has no errors, and you end up with an equation with no real solutions, it must be that the four points don't lie on any circle.
 
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Could you plot these out, and using the three sets of known coordinates (call these X,Y,Z) generate equations for the perpendicular bisectors of the lines XY, XZ, and YZ. Then calculate the intersection of the bisectors, which is the centre of the circle, if it exists. You also have a number of points, so you can calculate the radius; then plugs that back into th main circle equation?
 
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Yea I figured it out, thanks mark, my arithmetic was wrong!
 

Related to Points on a Circle: Find Value of 'a

1. What is the equation for finding the value of 'a' in points on a circle?

The equation for finding the value of 'a' is a = x - r, where x is the x-coordinate of the point on the circle and r is the radius of the circle.

2. How do you determine the x-coordinate of a point on a circle?

The x-coordinate of a point on a circle can be found by using the equation x = r * cos(θ), where r is the radius of the circle and θ is the angle formed by the x-axis and the radius of the circle.

3. Can the value of 'a' be negative?

Yes, the value of 'a' can be negative. This indicates that the point on the circle is to the left of the center point.

4. What does 'a' represent in the equation for finding the value of 'a'?

'a' represents the distance of the point on the circle from the center point in the x-direction.

5. How do you find the value of 'a' if the point is in the second or third quadrant of the circle?

If the point is in the second or third quadrant of the circle, the x-coordinate will be negative. In this case, you can use the equation a = -x - r to find the value of 'a'.

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