Photography in 4D World: Time & Space

In summary, the conversation discusses the dimensionality of a photograph in the context of time as a dimension. It is concluded that a photograph is a (2+1)d object, with two spacelike directions in the plane of the photo and an extent in time. However, the extent in time is considered uninteresting as the photograph only records the light that struck it when it was exposed. The concept of "now" in relativity is also mentioned, and it is suggested that adding a temporal dimension would result in describing a TV screen. The purpose of the original question is questioned, and it is noted that the photograph can also be seen as part of a null surface, the past light cone of the camera.
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If time is a dimension, what would be the dimension of a photograph in such a space?
 
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Idealising the image as being one face of a physical piece of paper, it's a (2+1)d object, although there's nothing interesting about the time-like direction since (apart from any overall motion/deformation/damage/etc of the photograph) nothing changes.

Loosely, in Newtonian terms you regard a camera as mapping points (x,y,z) onto a plane (x,y) at a given time T-z/c (to allow for the finite speed of light) - it chooses a value of the time parameter and drops the z coordinate, in other words. In relativistic terms you'd regard it as taking points in the plane (x,y,z,T-z/c) and mapping them onto a plane (x,y) - so dropping the z and t coordinates. The only real difference is whether you regard time as a parameter or a dimension.
 
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Ibix said:
Idealising the image as being one face of a physical piece of paper, it's a (2+1)d object, although there's nothing interesting about the time-like direction since (apart from any overall motion/deformation/damage/etc of the photograph) nothing changes.

Loosely, in Newtonian terms you regard a camera as mapping points (x,y,z) onto a plane (x,y) at a given time T-z/c (to allow for the finite speed of light) - it chooses a value of the time parameter and drops the z coordinate, in other words. In relativistic terms you'd regard it as taking points in the plane (x,y,z,T-z/c) and mapping them onto a plane (x,y) - so dropping the z and t coordinates. The only real difference is whether you regard time as a parameter or a dimension.
So are you saying that the photograph will be still 2 dimensional? I am considering time as a dimension not a parameter.
 
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Objects are, in general, (3+1) dimensional. Idealising a photo as one surface of a piece of paper then it's (2+1) dimensional. There are two spacelike directions in the plane of the photo and it has extent in time. But the extent in time is boring because a photo is still only a recording of the light that struck it when it was exposed.

Why are you asking?
 
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sonutabitha said:
If time is a dimension, what would be the dimension of a photograph in such a space?

You are simply describing the world as it is now. Unless you add a temporal dimension into the photo, in which case you are describing a TV screen.
 
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You are simply describing the world as it is now. Unless you add a temporal dimension into the photo, in which case you are describing a TV screen.
You need to be a bit careful about what you mean by "now" in relativity, which is why I answered as I did (at least at time of writing this thred is labeled A). In fact you are describing part of a null surface, the past light cone of the camera.

Otherwise, yes. Still curious in what context the OP wanted to know.
 

Related to Photography in 4D World: Time & Space

1. What is 4D photography and how does it differ from traditional photography?

4D photography captures images in both time and space, giving a more comprehensive and dynamic representation of a subject. Traditional photography only captures a still moment in time and space.

2. How is time represented in 4D photography?

Time in 4D photography is represented through the use of multiple images taken over a period of time. These images are then combined to create a moving or interactive image.

3. Can any camera be used for 4D photography?

No, specialized cameras with the ability to capture multiple images at high speed are typically used for 4D photography. These cameras can also capture images from different angles, allowing for a more comprehensive representation of time and space.

4. What are the practical applications of 4D photography?

4D photography has a wide range of practical applications, including in scientific research, medical imaging, and entertainment. It can also be used for capturing events and experiences in a more immersive and engaging way.

5. How is 4D photography related to 3D photography?

4D photography is an extension of 3D photography, which captures images in three dimensions. 4D photography adds the element of time, creating a more comprehensive representation of a subject. Both techniques use multiple images to create a more realistic and dynamic image.

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