Pendulum Equilibrium: Can It Pass Balance Point Twice?

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of releasing a pendulum from a specific height and initial condition in which it does not pass the balance point on the first go, but does on the return. The conversation also mentions the possibility of a time-reversed process. The speaker believes it is possible but cannot prove it and is seeking guidance or a solution.
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walter1998
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Consider a pendulum in it's balance point hanging from ceiling. It can swing in all the directions in the space. The pendulum can only swing in a sphere(the string can't bend). Now, is it possible to release the pendulum in a particular height and with a initial condition that in the first go(the same height as the first place) it doesn't pass the balance point but in the return it does? (don't count air or friction)
If it is possible what initial conditions and height(s) are required?
If not why?
 
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  • #3
mfb said:
What do you think?
I think it is possible but i cannot prove it; I'd be glad if you could guide me or more glad if you solve it.
 
  • #4
walter1998 said:
I think it is possible
In which way?

Also, how would the time-reversed process look like?

What do you know about angular momentum?
 
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I would approach this question by first considering the basic principles of pendulum motion. A pendulum's equilibrium position is at its lowest point, where it has the most potential energy. As it swings back and forth, it continuously converts this potential energy into kinetic energy, reaching its maximum velocity at the bottom of each swing. As the pendulum reaches its highest point on the other side, it has lost all of its kinetic energy and is again at its equilibrium position.

Based on these principles, it is not possible for a pendulum to pass its equilibrium point twice in a single swing without the influence of external forces such as air resistance or friction. This is because the pendulum's energy is continuously being converted from potential to kinetic and back again, resulting in it always returning to its equilibrium position.

In order for the pendulum to pass its equilibrium point twice in a single swing, there would need to be a source of additional energy to overcome the pendulum's natural motion. One possible way to achieve this could be by introducing a second pendulum that is synchronized with the first, providing a boost of energy at the appropriate time to allow the first pendulum to pass its equilibrium point twice.

In terms of initial conditions and height, the specifics would depend on the exact setup and design of the pendulum system. However, in general, the initial height and velocity of the pendulum would need to be carefully calculated and controlled in order to achieve the desired result. Any deviation from these initial conditions could result in the pendulum behaving in a different manner.

In conclusion, based on the principles of pendulum motion, it is not possible for a pendulum to pass its equilibrium point twice in a single swing without external forces. However, with careful design and control, it may be possible to achieve this result through the use of synchronized pendulum systems.
 

Related to Pendulum Equilibrium: Can It Pass Balance Point Twice?

1. What is the definition of pendulum equilibrium?

Pendulum equilibrium is the state where the pendulum is at rest, with the bob hanging directly below the point of suspension and the string or rod perfectly vertical.

2. Can a pendulum pass the balance point twice?

Yes, it is possible for a pendulum to pass the balance point twice. This can occur when the pendulum has enough initial energy to swing past the balance point and then back again.

3. What factors affect a pendulum's ability to pass the balance point twice?

The main factor that affects a pendulum's ability to pass the balance point twice is the initial energy or force applied to the pendulum. The length of the string or rod, as well as any air resistance, can also play a role.

4. How does a pendulum behave when it passes the balance point twice?

When a pendulum passes the balance point twice, it will continue to swing back and forth until it loses enough energy due to friction and air resistance to eventually come to rest.

5. Why is it important to understand pendulum equilibrium and its behavior?

Understanding pendulum equilibrium and its behavior is important for a variety of applications, such as in timekeeping devices like clocks and in measuring gravity. It also helps us understand the principles of energy and motion in physics.

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