Measuring Pressure For Compressible Fluid Systems?

In summary, the conversation discusses the angle dependence of pressure measurements in a compressible fluid system. It is noted that Bernoulli's Law does not apply to compressible fluids and that pressure measurements are angle dependent due to the finite size of sensors and their effect on the flow. The possibility of a uniform cross sectional area in a closed system is also brought up, with a request for a diagram to better understand the situation. The conversation ends with questions about the assumptions being made and the type of flow being discussed.
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Is measuring pressure for a compressible fluid system angle dependent?For a compressible fluid, Bernoulli's Law gives us a relation between two points along a closed system. More specifically it gives us the relation between two cross sections belonging to two distinct points in the closed system.

But I'm curious about the cross section itself for any given point in a closed system.
Consider:

A closed system of compressible fluid moving about smoothly (laminar flow).
The system has four straight edges and four corners resembling a rectangle while maintaining a uniform cross sectional area throughout the system.

Along the edges I expect no difference in velocity and pressure within the cross section of any given point (along the edges). But for a corner cross section there should be a velocity and pressure gradient (right?).If this is correct, does this mean pressure measurements taken at curvature points are angle dependent?
 
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iScience said:
A closed system of compressible fluid moving about smoothly (laminar flow).
The system has four straight edges and four corners resembling a rectangle while maintaining a uniform cross sectional area throughout the system.
I'm having trouble picturing that. Are the surfaces everywhere parallel to the flow? Can you draw a diagram?

In a well designed Venturi tube where the flow is always parallel to the surface, the orientation of the surface doesn't matter (self evident). It is only when measuring pressure with a sensor who's opening isn't parallel to the flow that velocity pressure comes into play.
 
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iScience said:
Is measuring pressure for a compressible fluid system angle dependent?

In short, yes. Any pressure measurement, whether in a compressible or incompressible flow, is angle-dependent because any real sensor has finite size and therefore has an effect on the flow. If you could make a true point measurement without changing the flow at all, then there is no angle dependence, but this is not reality.

iScience said:
For a compressible fluid, Bernoulli's Law gives us a relation between two points along a closed system. More specifically it gives us the relation between two cross sections belonging to two distinct points in the closed system.

For a compressible fluid, Bernoulli's equation does not apply. Incompressibility is a fundamental assumption required to derive the equation.

iScience said:
But I'm curious about the cross section itself for any given point in a closed system.
Consider:

A closed system of compressible fluid moving about smoothly (laminar flow).
The system has four straight edges and four corners resembling a rectangle while maintaining a uniform cross sectional area throughout the system.

Along the edges I expect no difference in velocity and pressure within the cross section of any given point (along the edges). But for a corner cross section there should be a velocity and pressure gradient (right?).If this is correct, does this mean pressure measurements taken at curvature points are angle dependent?

I agree with @russ_watters that a diagram would be incredibly useful here. I am having a really tough time imagining what you mean.
 
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Are you assuming that the fluid is inviscid, or does the fluid have viscosity? Either way, are you saying that you have steady flow along a channel of rectangular cross section?
 

Related to Measuring Pressure For Compressible Fluid Systems?

1. What is pressure and why is it important to measure in compressible fluid systems?

Pressure is the force exerted by a fluid on a unit area. In compressible fluid systems, pressure is important because it affects the density and volume of the fluid, which can impact the performance and efficiency of the system. Measuring pressure allows us to monitor and control the behavior of the fluid, ensuring safe and optimal operation.

2. How is pressure measured in compressible fluid systems?

Pressure can be measured using various instruments such as pressure gauges, manometers, and transducers. These devices use different principles, such as mechanical, electrical, or optical, to convert pressure into a measurable quantity. The choice of instrument depends on the specific application and the accuracy and range of pressure needed.

3. What factors can affect the accuracy of pressure measurements in compressible fluid systems?

The accuracy of pressure measurements can be affected by various factors, including the type and quality of the measuring instrument, the properties of the fluid (such as temperature and viscosity), and the presence of external forces or disturbances. It is important to carefully select and calibrate the measuring instrument to ensure accurate and reliable results.

4. How can pressure measurements be used to troubleshoot issues in compressible fluid systems?

Pressure measurements can provide valuable insight into the behavior of compressible fluid systems and help identify potential issues. For example, a sudden drop in pressure could indicate a leak or blockage in the system, while a significant increase in pressure could be a sign of an overloading or malfunctioning component. By monitoring pressure at different points in the system, engineers can pinpoint the source of the problem and take corrective actions.

5. Are there any safety precautions to consider when measuring pressure in compressible fluid systems?

Yes, safety precautions should always be taken when measuring pressure in compressible fluid systems. This includes wearing appropriate personal protective equipment, ensuring the system is properly shut off and depressurized before making any measurements, and following proper handling and disposal procedures for hazardous fluids. It is also important to regularly inspect and maintain measuring instruments to avoid any potential safety hazards.

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