Mathematical Biology- Coupled ODEs

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving coupled equations and finding the behavior of a function over time. The suggested solution involves differentiating one equation to get a second order ODE and plugging in the other equation. There is some confusion about setting v(t)=0 for all time and solving for u(t), but it is clarified that this is the behavior at t=0. The conversation then discusses checking for stability by looking at higher derivatives, but it is pointed out that all derivatives in this case are equal to zero.
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To be honest I was going to differentiate one equation to get a 2nd order ODE and plug in the other equation, since to me ##v(0)=0## is not strong enough to do as below, am I completely mis-interpreted?

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Am I being stupid but I have no idea how we have set ##v(t)=0## for all time, de-coupling the equations trivially, and then solved for ##u(t)## , isn't this effectively claiming this is how ##u## varies with ##t## in general, given simply that ##v(0)=0##, to me this is simply the behaviour at ##t=0##? Or is the idea something like this holds for ## t## small only - if so, isn't this unclear in the question since it doesn't say to find how ##u## varies with ##t## small or anything like that.

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Since ##v'## is zero if ##v## is zero, you cannot have ##v(t) \neq 0## for any ##t## if ##v(0) = 0##.
 
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Orodruin said:
Since ##v'## is zero if ##v## is zero, you cannot have ##v(t) \neq 0## for any ##t## if ##v(0) = 0##.
ah k thanks
why wouldn't you have to check if d^2 v /dt^2 is >0 or <0 to assess whether it is stable or not?
 
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You will find that all derivatives are equal to zero. This follows directly from differentiating the differential equation. The nth derivative will have terms that are proportional to the function itself or to its lower derivatives. Since all of those are zero, the nth derivative is zero as well.
 
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Orodruin said:
You will find that all derivatives are equal to zero. This follows directly from differentiating the differential equation. The nth derivative will have terms that are proportional to the function itself or to its lower derivatives. Since all of those are zero, the nth derivative is zero as well.
d^2v\dt^2 has no v dependence? well it does via u but then you're bringing du/dt in it
 
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It has two terms. One is proportional to v and the other to v’. Both v and v’ are zero at t=0 and so v’’(0)=0. It does not matter what u or u’ is.
 

Related to Mathematical Biology- Coupled ODEs

1. What is Mathematical Biology?

Mathematical Biology is an interdisciplinary field that uses mathematical techniques and models to study biological systems and phenomena. It combines principles from biology, mathematics, and computer science to analyze and understand complex biological processes.

2. What are Coupled ODEs in Mathematical Biology?

Coupled ODEs (Ordinary Differential Equations) are a set of two or more differential equations that are interconnected and influence each other's behavior. They are commonly used in mathematical biology to model systems with multiple interacting components, such as predator-prey dynamics or gene regulatory networks.

3. What are the applications of Coupled ODEs in Mathematical Biology?

Coupled ODEs are used in various areas of mathematical biology, including ecology, epidemiology, genetics, and neuroscience. They can be used to study population dynamics, disease spread, genetic regulation, and many other biological processes.

4. How are Coupled ODEs solved in Mathematical Biology?

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5. What are the advantages of using Coupled ODEs in Mathematical Biology?

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