Logarithmic spiral photon orbits

In summary, the conversation discussed the possibility of a photon crossing the event horizon of a black hole and having a spiral orbit, specifically an Archimedes spiral. The example was mentioned in a book on tensor calculus, relativity, and cosmology. There was a question about whether the orbit could be a logarithmic spiral and if the shape of the spiral depended on the metric of the gravitational field. The gravitational field in question was determined by the given metric in quazi-cylindrical coordinates, and it was stated that a photon emitted at z=0 would track the Archimedes spiral initially.
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jpo
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Hello,

It has been said if a photon crosses the event horizon of a black hole it will have a spiral orbit; The spiral is Archimedes [itex]r = r_{i}+r_{0}\theta^2[/itex]
There is one such example in "Introduction to tensor calculus, relativity and cosmology" by D F Lawden on page 165

Is it possible that the photon orbit is a logarithmic spiral? Does the spiral shape depend on the metric of the gravitational field?
 
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jpo, Is he talking about a Schwarzschild black hole or something more general? I'm afraid if he's talking about the photon orbits in Schwarzschild I'd have to disagree with him. At any rate, it's safe to say you won't find an orbit which is a logarithmic spiral.
 
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the gravitational field he gives is determined by the metric
[itex]ds^2 = r^2 (dr^2 + d\theta^2) + r(dz^2 - dt^2)[/itex]
in quazi-cylindrical coordinates

then he claims a photon emitted at [itex]z=0[/itex] will track the above Archimedes spiral
Also, [itex]\dot{r} = \dot{z} = 0[/itex] initially
 

Related to Logarithmic spiral photon orbits

What is a logarithmic spiral photon orbit?

A logarithmic spiral photon orbit is a type of orbit that a photon can take around a massive object, such as a black hole or a star. It is a spiral-shaped path that follows a logarithmic curve, which means the distance between the photon and the center of mass increases by a constant factor with each turn of the spiral.

How does a photon follow a logarithmic spiral orbit?

A photon follows a logarithmic spiral orbit due to the effects of gravity. As it travels near a massive object, the photon's path is bent by the curvature of space and time. This causes the photon to follow a curved path rather than a straight line, resulting in a spiral shape.

Are logarithmic spiral photon orbits stable?

No, logarithmic spiral photon orbits are not stable. This means that the photon will eventually deviate from its spiral path and either escape the gravitational pull of the massive object or collide with it. The stability of a logarithmic spiral photon orbit depends on the mass and spin of the object it is orbiting.

What is the significance of logarithmic spiral photon orbits?

Logarithmic spiral photon orbits have significant implications in astrophysics, particularly in the study of black holes. They can help us understand the behavior of photons in extreme gravitational environments and provide insights into the properties of these mysterious objects.

Can logarithmic spiral photon orbits exist in other contexts?

Yes, logarithmic spiral orbits can exist in other contexts besides astrophysics. They can also be observed in fluid dynamics, biological systems, and even in human-made structures such as spiral staircases. However, the underlying principles and mechanisms may differ from those observed in astrophysical contexts.

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