Ideal Gas Law: Exploring Independent Variables

In summary, the conversation discusses the number of independent variables for a simple fluid and the ideal gas law, which has four variables. However, an additional equation of state for ideal gases, U=Nc_vT, reduces the number of independent variables to two. This applies to all ideal gases under all processes, regardless of whether volume is constant.
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http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-044Spring-2004/7A20B047-A049-44D6-96D2-75602F179856/0/notes_dfnitns.pdf
There it says tht the number of independent variables of a simple fluid is 2 (see the "Complete Specification" section). But the ideal gas law is PV=NkT which has 4 variables, so why are there not 3 independent variables for an ideal gas which is an example of a simple fluid?


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There is another equation of state for ideal gases, [itex]U=Nc_vT[/itex]. The constraint from this additional equation reduces the number of independent variables to two.
 
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Mapes said:
There is another equation of state for ideal gases, [itex]U=Nc_vT[/itex]. The constraint from this additional equation reduces the number of independent variables to two.

That equation will only work if V is constant.
 
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No. Every student of thermo (including me) claims that at first, but no. It applies to all ideal gases under all processes.

EDIT: To give a little more explanation, [itex]c_v[/itex] is a constant. [itex]U=Nc_vT[/itex] is an equation of state that uses that constant; it's not a process subject to constraints. We could just as well write [itex]U=N(c_p-R)T[/itex].
 
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Related to Ideal Gas Law: Exploring Independent Variables

What is the Ideal Gas Law?

The Ideal Gas Law is a scientific equation that describes the behavior of ideal gases under different conditions. It is represented by the formula PV = nRT, where P is the pressure, V is the volume, n is the number of moles of gas, R is the gas constant, and T is the temperature.

What are the independent variables in the Ideal Gas Law?

The independent variables in the Ideal Gas Law are pressure, volume, number of moles of gas, and temperature. These variables can be changed and manipulated in experiments to observe their effects on the behavior of gases.

How does changing the pressure affect the volume of an ideal gas?

According to the Ideal Gas Law, as pressure increases, volume decreases, and vice versa. This is known as Boyle's Law and can be observed in experiments where the volume of a gas is measured at different pressures.

What is the significance of the gas constant (R) in the Ideal Gas Law?

The gas constant (R) is a proportionality constant that relates the other variables in the Ideal Gas Law. It has a value of 8.314 J/mol·K and is essential for converting between different units of measurement in the equation.

Can the Ideal Gas Law be applied to all gases?

The Ideal Gas Law can be applied to most gases under normal conditions. However, it is not accurate for gases at high pressures or low temperatures, where intermolecular forces come into play. It also does not apply to real gases, which have non-ideal behavior due to their molecular structure.

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