Force on the sides of a swimming pool, differeniation

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[SOLVED] Force on the sides of a swimming pool, differeniation

Homework Statement

A swimming pool measures a length of 5.7m , width 3.8m , and depth 2.9m. Compute the force exerted by the water against either end. Do not include the force due to air pressure.

I have already calculated the force on the bottom as 6.2*10^5N

Hint: Calculate the force on a thin, horizontal strip at a depth , and integrate this over the end of the pool.

Homework Equations

f = pgya

The Attempt at a Solution

pretend the swimming pool is on its end, using formula
f = intergration,/' pgdya
from 0 to 5.7

getting F = 1/2 pg(y^2)a

But this doesn't seem to work?

Any help/suggestions/ideas

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[Mapes]

Why doesn't it seem to work?

Edit: I think you need to integrate more carefully.

 

[TFM]

I get an answer of 1754395.02, which Mastering physics says is wrong. Any idea where in my integration I have gone wrong?

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[Mapes]

I think I see the problem. Don't turn the pool on its end; that's changing the problem. We want to find the force on either end in its orginal configuration. This will affect a couple of your variables.

 

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Keeping the Pool in the same way, I get F = 892586.94
However, if i ignore the 1/2 from the integration, I get 1785173.88

Is this the answer, because there are two sides?

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[Mapes]

I don't think so. Can you show how you integrated and what variables you multiplied together to get this result?

 

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I integrated:

f = intergration,/' p*g*y*a dy
and got
F = 1/2 pg(y^2)a

I then used
p = 1000 (density of water)
g = 9.8
y = 2.9
a = 5.7*3.8

Giving me 892586.94

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[Mapes]

Right away I can tell that the units are off: your units are N-m for a force answer, which is incorrect of course. That's why checking units is so useful is troubleshooting a problem.

I agree with setting force equal to (density)(g)(depth)(area). However, it seems to me that your area should be a rectangular differential element at the end of the pool. This differential element would have a width of w and a height of dy. Does this make sense?

 

[TFM]

Right away I can tell that the units are off: your units are N-m for a force answer, which is incorrect of course. That's why checking units is so useful is troubleshooting a problem.

I agree with setting force equal to (density)(g)(depth)(area). However, it seems to me that your area should be a rectangular differential element at the end of the pool. This differential element would have a width of w and a height of dy. Does this make sense?

I'm not sure...? Would it be:
Area = width*length
Area = ,/' width*length dlength
giving area = 1/2 * width*length^2
putting bvack into the equation,

F = pgya

F = pgy(1/2 * width*length^2)

If not, then I'm don't understand, sorry

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[Mapes]

How about [itex]dF=pgy\,da=pgy(w\,dy)[/itex], [itex]F=\int_0^{\mathrm{depth}}dF=\frac{1}{2}pgw(\mathrm{depth})^2[/itex]?

 

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That makes sense - I was still using the area as being the floor. I now get an answer of 15979, alkthough this is ten times smaller than the force on the floor? (and apparently isn't the answer)
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[Mapes]

x g?

 

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x g

D'oh

With g in, gives right answer:

156594.2

Although Mastering Physics only accepts 160000

Thanks, Mapes

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[Mapes]

You're welcome, good luck.