Finding the Differential Equation for Straight Lines in Polar Coordinates

In summary, the student is trying to find the differential equation for the family of all straight lines in the plane in polar coordinates. The problem is that there are no constants and the student is not sure how to proceed.
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Homework Statement



Problem from Arnold's "Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics" on page 59.

Find the differential equation for the family of all straight lines in the plane in polar coordinates.

Homework Equations



[tex]\Phi=\displaystyle\int^{t_2}_{t_1} \sqrt{{\dot{r}}^2+r^2{}\dot{\phi}^2}\,dt[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{\dot{q_i}}}-\frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{q_i}}=0[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



L is the integrand.

We have two equations:

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\dot{r}}{\sqrt{{\dot{r}}^2+r^2{}\dot{\phi}^2}}=\frac{r\dot{\phi}^2}{\sqrt{{\dot{r}}^2+r^2{}\dot{\phi}^2}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\frac{r^2\dot{\phi}}{\sqrt{{\dot{r}}^2+r^2{}\dot{\phi}^2}}=0[/tex]

The second gives: [tex]\frac{r^2\dot{\phi}}{\sqrt{{\dot{r}}^2+r^2{}\dot{\phi}^2}}=c[/tex]

If c=0 we have the derivative of phi zero, that is phi would be constant and we are (essentially) done. If phi is constant, we have a bundle of lines paasing through the origin. But what about r? Do we get problems in the origin? Polar coordinates are not defined there, are they?
If c is not zero, then the first equation can be rewritten as:
[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\dot{r}}{r^2\dot{\phi}}=\frac{\dot{\phi}}{r}[/tex]

I cannot get an idea of how to solve it for r-dot AND phi-dot. Tried to differentiate the left side and see what happens, but somehow nothing attractive comes out.
So how to proceed? Is it the right way? Or is there anything I can't see at a glance that helps?
 
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Just take this,
[tex]\frac{r^2\dot{\phi}}{\sqrt{{\dot{r}}^2+
r^2{}\dot{\phi}^2}}=c[/tex] and solve by separation of variables. I.e. write it as f(phi)d(phi)=g(r)d(r). Then integrate. To tell if you are correct, look up general representations of a line in polar coordinates, for example, r=p*sec(phi-phi0) defines a line for various choices of p and phi0.
 
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He is supposed to find the differential eqn for the family of all st lines. There should be no constants there. E.g., in cartesian co-ordinates, it should be y''=0.

It would be simpler to treat one of the co-ordinates, say phi, as the independent co-ord and form the integral in terms of r'=dr/dphi.

[tex]\Phi=\displaystyle\int^{\phi_2}_{\phi_1} \sqrt{{\dot{r}}^2+r^2{}\dot{\phi}^2}\,d\phi[/tex]

Now he can apply:

[tex]\frac{d}{d\phi}\frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{\dot{r}}}-\frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{r}}=0[/tex]

to get one 2nd order differential eqn.
 

Related to Finding the Differential Equation for Straight Lines in Polar Coordinates

1. What is the equation for a straight line in polar form?

The equation for a straight line in polar form is r = a + bcosθ, where r is the distance from the origin, θ is the angle measured from the positive x-axis, and a and b are constants that determine the position and slope of the line.

2. How do you graph a straight line in polar form?

To graph a straight line in polar form, first plot the point (a,0) on the polar coordinate plane. Then, use the slope b to determine the angle θ at which the line intersects the initial ray. Finally, draw a line from the origin through the point (a,0) at the angle θ to represent the line.

3. Can a straight line in polar form have a negative slope?

Yes, a straight line in polar form can have a negative slope. This is represented by a negative value for the constant b in the equation r = a + bcosθ. A negative slope indicates that the line is decreasing as θ increases.

4. What is the relationship between polar and Cartesian coordinates for a straight line?

The relationship between polar and Cartesian coordinates for a straight line is r = a + bcosθ in polar form and y = mx + b in Cartesian form, where m is the slope of the line. The constant a in the polar form corresponds to the y-intercept b in the Cartesian form, and the constant b in the polar form is related to the slope m in the Cartesian form.

5. Can a straight line in polar form have an equation with a negative angle?

No, a straight line in polar form cannot have an equation with a negative angle. The angle θ in polar form is always measured counterclockwise from the positive x-axis, so it must be positive. If a negative angle were used, it would result in a reflection of the line across the origin.

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