Extra Credit Definite Integral - No Solution In Book- Did I do This right?

In summary, the conversation discusses a math problem involving finding the indefinite and definite integral of a function. The attempt at solving the problem involves using substitution and algebra, but it is determined that the indefinite integral cannot be found using this method. The conversation then shifts to discussing the properties of odd functions and how they can be used to determine the value of a definite integral. Ultimately, it is concluded that the definite integral in this problem is 0 due to the function being odd.
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Homework Statement



[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} 2x\sqrt{(1-x^{2})^{3} +1} dx [/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



This is one of those questions in a math book that is almost never assigned and can be seen as "going above and beyond" what the chapter teaches you. I kind of improvised on the solution by substituting variables twice throughout the problem, so I am not sure if the solution is correct. I know that this is a definite integral but I only solved the indefinite portion of it, at least I think that I did. If I can get someone to give me the thumbs up on the indefinite solution I'll plug in the numbers for fun, but this is the part that counts right? ha, anyway:

Let:

[tex] u = 1-x^{2} [/tex]

[tex] du = -2x dx [/tex]

[tex] dx = -\frac{1}{2}x^{-1} du [/tex]

So now the problem is going to look like so:

[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} -\frac{1}{2} \frac{2x}{x} \sqrt{(u)^{3}+1}du [/tex]

and then:

[tex] \frac {2x}{x} = 2 \rightarrow -\frac{1}{2}(2) = -1 [/tex]

so now its:

[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} - \sqrt{(u)^{3}+1} du [/tex]

or better yet:

[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} -((u)^{3}+1)^{1/2} du [/tex]

and now it gets to the part of where I am not sure if this is legal to do:

Let:

[tex] s = (u)^{3}+1 [/tex]

[tex] ds =3u^{2} du[/tex]

[tex] du = \frac{1}{3}u^{-2} ds [/tex]

and since:

[tex] s = (u)^{3} +1 \rightarrow u = (s-1)^{1/3} = (s^{1/3}-1)[/tex]

so now the problem looks like:

[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} -\frac{1}{3}(s)^{1/3}(u)^{-2} ds [/tex]

which is the same as:

[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} -\frac{1}{3}(s)^{1/3}(s^{1/3}-1)^{-2} ds [/tex]

and then to get rid of the -2 exponent:

[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} -\frac{1}{3}(s)^{1/3}(s^{-2/3}-1) ds [/tex]

then distribute out the binomial:

[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} -\frac{1}{3}(s^{-1/3} - s^{1/2}) ds [/tex]

finally distribute the -1/3:

[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} -\frac{1}{3}s^{-1/3} + \frac{1}{3}s^{1/2} ds [/tex]

now let's take the anti-derivative of what we have:

[tex] -\frac{1}{2}(s)^{2/3}+\frac{2}{9}(s)^{3/2} [/tex]

and then substitute:

[tex] -\frac{1}{2}(u^{3}+1)^{2/3}+\frac{2}{9}(u^{3}+1)^{3/2} [/tex]

and once more:

[tex] -\frac{1}{2}((1-x^{2})^{3}+1)^{2/3}+\frac{2}{9}((1-x^{2})^{3}+1)^{3/2} [/tex]

then finally to complete the indefinite integral of the problem:

[tex] -\frac{1}{2}((1-x^{2})^{3}+1)^{2/3}+\frac{2}{9}((1-x^{2})^{3}+1)^{3/2} + C[/tex]
 
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No, it's not right. (s-1)^(1/3) is not the same as (s^(1/3)-1), and then the algebra problems continue. You aren't going to able to find an indefinite integral for that without using elliptic functions. It's much simpler than that. You have a definite integral from x=(-1) to x=1. Any other thoughts?
 
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I don't understand why you are saying that I have a definite integral that I don't have to find the indefinite integral for, isn't that the whole point? To solve a definite integral you need to find the indefinite integral (which is to say the anti-derivative) of the definite integral and then it is F(b)-F(a), right?
 
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Yes, but there are some definite integrals you can evaluate without having an indefinite integral. Here's a big hint. If f(x) is odd, i.e. f(-x)=(-f(x)), what's the integral from -1 to 1 of f(x)?
 
  • #5
Yes, but there are some definite integrals you can evaluate without having an indefinite integral. Here's a big hint. If f(x) is odd, i.e. -f(x)=f(-x), what's the integral from -1 to 1 of f(x).
 
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Well, I am not sure of exactly what you mean, if you mean this:

[tex] \int^{1}_{-1} -x dx [/tex]

then the answer would be 0... is that what you getting at?
 
  • #7
Yes. The integral of sin(x), x*exp(x^2), cos(x)*x, cos(x)*sin(x) etc from -1 to 1 is also 0. You don't have to find the indefinite integral to know that. Could your function be one of this group?
 
  • #8
Right, well I typed the function into a graphing calculator to look at the graph and I know that the answer is 0 just from the way the graph looks, I was just interested in doing the math to find the indefinite integral, that's all. Let me ask you this, could the problem have been solved the way that I tried to solve it? I know that the algebra is bad in there, but saying that it is right, would it have worked out or is it just not possible to find the indefinite integral of this function using this method?
 
  • #9
No, the indefinite integral is not an elementary function. Like I said, you can find one by using exotic functions like elliptic integrals, but that's out of your league. You did the right thing by graphing it. Now can you tell me how to figure out that it's zero without graphing it? What property of the function makes the integral zero?
 
  • #10
Well I think that the integral going from -1 to 1 makes it an odd function, and definite integrals of odd functions makes it = 0.
 
  • #11
You're approaching this from the wrong end. The limits of integration aren't what make a function odd or not: it's the function you're integrating that is either odd or it isn't. If the integrand is an odd function, then you can take advantage of the limits of integration to say something about the value of the definite integral.
 

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1. What is an extra credit definite integral?

An extra credit definite integral is a mathematical concept that involves finding the area under a curve within a specific interval. It is often used in calculus and is a way to measure the accumulation of a quantity over time.

2. Why might a definite integral have no solution in the book?

A definite integral may have no solution in the book if the function being integrated is complex or cannot be expressed in a closed form. This means that the integral cannot be solved using traditional methods and may require more advanced techniques or approximations.

3. How do I know if I have done the extra credit definite integral correctly?

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4. Can I use the same method for solving all extra credit definite integrals?

No, the method for solving extra credit definite integrals may vary depending on the function being integrated. Some integrals may require substitution, integration by parts, or other techniques. It is important to understand the properties and rules of integration to determine the best approach for each integral.

5. Is it necessary to solve extra credit definite integrals if they are not required for my grade?

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