Exploring the Mystery of Dark Matter: Galactic Rotation and Scale Variance

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In summary, the density of dark matter in the solar system is tiny compared to the galaxy as a whole, and the effect of dark matter is scale variant.
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One of the principal arguments for the existence of dark mater is, of course, that galaxies rotate as if they were on a plate as opposed to the differential rotations of planets in our solar system.

My question is, if the entire galaxy is infused with this dark matter, why does it seem to be scale variant. That is, why doesn't the dark matter in our solar system cause it to rotate as if on a plate just as the larger galaxy does as a whole?
 
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StationZero said:
One of the principal arguments for the existence of dark mater is, of course, that galaxies rotate as if they were on a plate as opposed to the differential rotations of planets in our solar system.

My question is, if the entire galaxy is infused with this dark matter, why does it seem to be scale variant. That is, why doesn't the dark matter in our solar system cause it to rotate as if on a plate just as the larger galaxy does as a whole?
The solar system is far, far more dense than most of the galaxy, and the dark matter is spread thinly throughout. So there just isn't enough dark matter in the solar system for its gravitational effect to be measurable.
 
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Hmm, I'm surprised nobody else has commented on this thread. Thank you Chalnoth for that explanation but hopefully someone can offer an extended analysis. First of all, not only does this thinly spaced dark matter motivate a star at the edge of our galaxy to rotate at an absurdly high velocity, it also holds together our local group and also our local supercluster. This doesn't seem to be a trival effect. So, to eschew the effect of dark matter in our solar system for its lack of huzpah is well noted but it doesn't explain the apparent scale invariance of its effects at several other cosmological scales. Perhaps a reference would help me.

In any case, one would think that, however weak it may comparably be relative to larger scales, we might be able to detect some contribution of dark matter in the orbit of planets in our solar system?
 
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StationZero said:
Hmm, I'm surprised nobody else has commented on this thread. Thank you Chalnoth for that explanation but hopefully someone can offer an extended analysis. First of all, not only does this thinly spaced dark matter motivate a star at the edge of our galaxy to rotate at an absurdly high velocity, it also holds together our local group and also our local supercluster. This doesn't seem to be a trival effect.
It's just a matter of scale. The galaxy is big, and clusters and superclusters are far, far larger.

The milky way, for instance, is tens of thousands of light years across, and you have to go a few hundred to a few thousand light years before the dark matter density becomes really apparent.

By contrast, our own solar system is less than 0.001 light years across (this is about the limit of the Kuiper belt, the large collection of icy objects out beyond the planets that supplies the inner solar system with the occasional comet). This is a massive difference in scale, and that makes a huge difference in the effect of dark matter.

This recent paper measures the local density of dark matter:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.4033

To put the density in more understandable terms, this means that we currently estimate the total density of dark matter within the solar system (out to 50AU, the extent of the Kuiper belt) to be about [itex]10^{17}[/itex]kg. That may sound like a lot, but Pluto's mass is [itex]10^{22}[/itex]kg. So the total dark matter in the Solar System is estimated to be about one ten thousandth the mass of Pluto, spread over the whole 50AU out to the edge of the Kuiper belt.
 
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Thanks again, Chalnoth, I'll check that out.
 

Related to Exploring the Mystery of Dark Matter: Galactic Rotation and Scale Variance

1. What is dark matter and why is it important to study?

Dark matter is a hypothetical type of matter that is thought to make up about 85% of the total matter in the universe. It does not emit or absorb light, making it invisible to traditional telescopes. Studying dark matter is important because it plays a crucial role in the structure and evolution of galaxies, and understanding its properties can help us better understand the universe as a whole.

2. How do we know dark matter exists if we can't see it?

Scientists have observed the effects of dark matter through its gravitational influence on visible matter. By studying the rotation of galaxies and the gravitational lensing of light, we can infer the presence of dark matter. Additionally, experiments such as the Large Hadron Collider have provided evidence for the existence of dark matter through its interaction with other particles.

3. What is the significance of galactic rotation in understanding dark matter?

Galactic rotation refers to the way that stars and gas rotate around the center of a galaxy. In the 1970s, scientists discovered that the rotation curves of galaxies did not match the predictions of Newtonian physics, indicating the presence of unseen mass. This led to the theory of dark matter, as it is the most likely explanation for the observed discrepancies in galactic rotation.

4. How does scale variance play a role in the mystery of dark matter?

Scale variance refers to the idea that the distribution of dark matter within galaxies varies depending on the size of the galaxy. This presents a challenge for scientists in understanding the nature of dark matter and its behavior. Some theories suggest that the properties of dark matter may change at different scales, while others propose that there are multiple types of dark matter that interact differently with visible matter.

5. What are some current methods being used to study dark matter?

Scientists use a variety of methods to study dark matter, including gravitational lensing, galaxy rotation curves, and particle physics experiments. Additionally, researchers are using computer simulations to model the behavior of dark matter and its effects on the evolution of the universe. Future experiments, such as the Dark Energy Survey and the Euclid mission, aim to further our understanding of dark matter and its role in the universe.

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