Element of a vector group (subset?)

In summary, the conversation revolves around two problems related to vectors in ℝ3. The first problem asks to determine if a given vector is an element of a specific group. The second problem involves a set of three equations with three unknowns, and asks to determine for what values of the unknowns there is no solution. The conversation also includes attempts and discussions on how to solve these problems using Cramer's Rule and other methods.
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Mewniew
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Hello. I have a couple of problems here, that i will have to translate from another language, so I am not 100% sure if I am using the correct terms.

(1) Let u, v, w ∈ ℝn be vectors. Find out if the vector u+v is an element of the group (subset?) (2u-v, 2u-w, 2w-u).

(2) Show that the ℝn vectors u=(a,1,-1), v=(b,-1,2) and w=(c,1,3) are linearly dependant exactly when c-4b-5a=0.

So, i don't know what to do with these.
 
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In (2) it seems to me that you are talking about vectors in ℝ3. This observation should make that problem easier.

In (1) you must check if there are scalars a, b and c such that a⋅(2u-v)+b⋅(2u-w)+c⋅(2w-u)=u+v.
 
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Svein said:
In (2) it seems to me that you are talking about vectors in ℝ3. This observation should make that problem easier.

In (1) you must check if there are scalars a, b and c such that a⋅(2u-v)+b⋅(2u-w)+c⋅(2w-u)=u+v.
Thank you for answering! For (2), that is a typo, it's supposed to say ℝ3. I still don't quite understand what I am supposed to do.
 
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Mewniew said:
For (2), that is a typo, it's supposed to say ℝ3. I still don't quite understand what I am supposed to do.
Again, it is a question regarding a set of equations. You have three equations with three unknowns - for what values of a, b , c is there no solution?
 
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Svein said:
Again, it is a question regarding a set of equations. You have three equations with three unknowns - for what values of a, b , c is there no solution?
Dont i have 4 equations and 6 unknowns? The scalars and a,b and c?
 
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I hadn't heard of it, and i haven't learned determinant yet, either :F
 
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So here are my attempts:
(1) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34732003/h/20151011_220232.jpg
I stopped, because i wasnt sure what i was doing and it felt like nonsense.

(2) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34732003/h/20151011_220130.jpg
Numbers show the order in which i did things. 1 and 2 seemed like things i could do, then i started the matrix and realized i had no idea what to do with the a, b and c. Then, i moved on to 4 to see if i anything new and interesting showed up by mixing and matching the equations. It didnt. (Now i realize they're not all supposed to equal 0, as they are L.dependent.)
 
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Mewniew said:
So here are my attempts:
(1) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34732003/h/20151011_220232.jpg
I stopped, because i wasnt sure what i was doing and it felt like nonsense.

(2) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34732003/h/20151011_220130.jpg
Numbers show the order in which i did things. 1 and 2 seemed like things i could do, then i started the matrix and realized i had no idea what to do with the a, b and c. Then, i moved on to 4 to see if i anything new and interesting showed up by mixing and matching the equations. It didnt. (Now i realize they're not all supposed to equal 0, as they are L.dependent.)
Please post your attempts here, rather than as images on dropbox. Everything you have done can be done using either BBcodes or LaTeX. We have tutorials on each of these types of markup.
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Related to Element of a vector group (subset?)

What is an element of a vector group?

An element of a vector group is a member of a set of vectors that share common properties and operations. It can also be thought of as a point in a vector space.

How is an element of a vector group represented?

An element of a vector group can be represented in various ways, depending on the context. It can be represented as a column or row vector, or as a point in a coordinate system.

What are the properties of an element in a vector group?

An element in a vector group has several properties, including magnitude, direction, and position. It can also have additional properties depending on the specific vector space it belongs to.

What operations can be performed on elements of a vector group?

Elements of a vector group can undergo several operations, including addition, subtraction, scalar multiplication, and vector multiplication. These operations allow for manipulation and transformation of the elements within the group.

How are elements of a vector group related to each other?

The elements of a vector group are related through mathematical operations and properties. They can be combined and transformed to create new elements, and they can also be compared based on their properties.

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