Domain's in polar co-ordinates.

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In summary, the conversation is about converting to polar coordinates and finding the correct range for r and theta. The person is having trouble graphically and algebraically finding the range, with the inequalities being incorrect in both methods. The correct range for theta is 0 to pi/4, and the correct range for r is 1/cos(theta) to 2cos(theta).
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Alright, so I'm having a problem converting to polar co-ordinates
Never been confused by polar before :(I'm trying to convert the domain of an integral to polar co-ordinates

The domain would be something like

D:{(x,y)| 1<x<2 , 0<y<(2x-x2) 1/2}

First I recognize that y=(2x-x2) 1/2 is the equation for a circle of radius shifted 1 unit to the right

so

y2 + (x-1)2 = 1

and it is the domain from x = 1 to x =2 (So the top right quadrant of the circle)

[PLAIN]http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4919/graphua.png

Graphically I can deduce that since x = y = 1 at the peak, then cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex] = sqrt(2) :. [tex]\vartheta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{\pi}{4}[/tex]

and it looks like r goes from 0 to 2cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex] //Which I am told is wrong

This leads me to two questions:
1) How would I find r graphically here?
2) Is it possible to convert to polar algebraically?

I tried to convert the inequalities seperately but that led me to
D:{(r,[tex]\vartheta[/tex])| [tex]\frac{\pi}{4}[/tex] < [tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 0, 0 < r < 2cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex]}

//My method is below
0<y<(2x-x2)1/2
02 < y2 < 2x - x2
0 < y2 + x2 < 2x
0 < r2 < 2rcos[tex]\vartheta[\tex]
0/r < r < 2cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex]

1 < x < 2
1 < rcos[tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 2
r has a maximum value of 2cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex]
1 < 2 cos2[tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 2
1/2 < cos2[tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 1
1/sqrt(2) < cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 1
[tex]\frac{\pi}{4}[/tex] < [tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 0
 
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frggr said:
Alright, so I'm having a problem converting to polar co-ordinates
Never been confused by polar before :(


I'm trying to convert the domain of an integral to polar co-ordinates

The domain would be something like

D:{(x,y)| 1<x<2 , 0<y<(2x-x2) 1/2}

First I recognize that y=(2x-x2) 1/2 is the equation for a circle of radius shifted 1 unit to the right

so

y2 + (x-1)2 = 1

and it is the domain from x = 1 to x =2 (So the top right quadrant of the circle)

[PLAIN]http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4919/graphua.png

Graphically I can deduce that since x = y = 1 at the peak, then cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex] = sqrt(2) :. [tex]\vartheta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{\pi}{4}[/tex]

and it looks like r goes from 0 to 2cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex] //Which I am told is wrong

This leads me to two questions:
1) How would I find r graphically here?
2) Is it possible to convert to polar algebraically?

I tried to convert the inequalities seperately but that led me to
D:{(r,[tex]\vartheta[/tex])| [tex]\frac{\pi}{4}[/tex] < [tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 0, 0 < r < 2cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex]}

//My method is below
0<y<(2x-x2)1/2
02 < y2 < 2x - x2
0 < y2 + x2 < 2x
0 < r2 < 2rcos[tex]\vartheta[\tex]
0/r < r < 2cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex]

1 < x < 2
1 < rcos[tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 2
r has a maximum value of 2cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex]
1 < 2 cos2[tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 2
1/2 < cos2[tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 1
1/sqrt(2) < cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 1
[tex]\frac{\pi}{4}[/tex] < [tex]\vartheta[/tex] < 0

Your last inequality is wrong - theta is between 0 and pi/4, but your inequalilty says that pi/4 < 0.
The range for theta should be
[tex]0 \leq \theta \leq \frac{\pi}{4}[/tex]
 
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I know, that's one of the problems. The inequalities didn't switch when I tried to do it algebraicaly :. I'm doing something wrong. The first inequality wrong as well. it should be
[tex]\frac{1}{cos \theta} \leq r \leq 2cos \theta [/tex]
 
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Yes, you are doing something wrong. Look at the graph of y = cos(theta) on the interval [0, pi/2]. The function is decreasing on this interval, so if the y values are 1/sqrt(2) < cos(theta) < 1, the theta values will be in the opposite order. I.e., 0 < theta < pi/4.
 

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In polar coordinates, the coordinates used are the distance from the origin (r) and the angle from the positive x-axis (θ).

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