Do the eigenfunctions for the position operator form an orthogonal set?

In summary, the conversation discusses how eigenfunctions for a Hermitian operator can equal anything as long as the operator is kept linear and Hermitian. The correct equation for this scenario is \hat{X}\psi = y\psi, where y is used as the eigenvalue instead of x. The only function that can make this equation true for arbitrary x and y is the Dirac delta distribution, which is not square integrable but is orthogonal in some sense. To fully understand this concept, a more mathematically rigorous textbook may be necessary.
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Starting with,

[itex]\hat{X}\psi = x\psi[/itex]

then,

[itex]x\psi = x\psi[/itex]

[itex]\psi = \psi[/itex]

So the eigenfunctions for this operator can equal anything (as long as they keep [itex]\hat{X}[/itex] linear and Hermitian), right?

Well, McQuarrie says that "the eigenfunctions of a Hermitian operator are orthogonal", which can be checked with:

[itex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\psi^*_m \psi_n\, dx = \langle m | n \rangle = 0[/itex]

But if the eigenfunctions can be anything, then that integral won't always equal zero. What am I missing here?

Thanks
 
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So, you're messing up because you're using x as both the eigenvalue and the operator X. The correct equation should look like:

[tex]\hat{X}\psi=y\psi[/tex]

We can't know a priori that the eigenfunction [itex]\psi[/itex] has eigenvalue x, so we must use y as the eigenvalue.

Therefore

[tex]x\psi=y\psi[/tex]

And

[tex](x-y)\psi=0[/tex]

Let's make the notation better still:

[tex](x-y)\psi_y(x)=0[/tex]

So, our wave function is a function of x, and it has eigenvalue y for the x-operator.

What "function" can make this true for arbitrary x and y? Well, actually there is no function that can make this true for arbitrary x and y other than the trivial [itex]\psi=0[/itex] function but this is the trivial case. In fact, x has no "eigenfunctions" in the strict sense of the word "function". The only thing that could make that above equality work is:

[tex]\psi_y(x)=\delta(x-y)[/tex]

Now you notice that this is STILL not square integrable, however, it IS orthogonal in some sense:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\psi_y(x)\psi_z(x)dx=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\delta(x-y)\delta(x-z)dx=\delta(y-z)[/tex]

This is the best that we can do. The eigenfunctions of x (and p) are not actually within the Hilbert space.
 
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If X acts on wavefunctions of L2(R) as a multiplication through the real number x, then one can show that X is self-adjoint on his domain of definition. Then by the spectral theorem of Gelfand-Kostyuchenko-Maurin, an extension of it has a complete set of eigenfunctions is a rigged Hilbert space built over L2(R). The eigenfunctions are the Dirac delta distributions.
 
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dextercioby said:
If X acts on wavefunctions of L2(R) as a multiplication through the real number x, then one can show that X is self-adjoint on his domain of definition. Then by the spectral theorem of Gelfand-Kostyuchenko-Maurin, an extension of it has a complete set of eigenfunctions is a rigged Hilbert space built over L2(R). The eigenfunctions are the Dirac delta distributions.

Thanks, but...Your explanation

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My headI think I'm going to have to find a more mathematically rigorous textbook on the subject as mine doesn't discuss Hilbert spaces, self-adjointness, or that spectral theorem.
 

Related to Do the eigenfunctions for the position operator form an orthogonal set?

1. What are eigenfunctions for the position operator?

Eigenfunctions for the position operator are mathematical functions that represent the possible positions of a particle in a given system. They are calculated by solving the Schrödinger equation.

2. What does it mean for eigenfunctions to form an orthogonal set?

An orthogonal set of eigenfunctions means that each function is perpendicular to all other functions in the set. This property is important in quantum mechanics because it allows for the accurate prediction of the behavior of a particle in a given system.

3. How are the eigenfunctions for the position operator determined?

The eigenfunctions for the position operator are determined by solving the Schrödinger equation, which is a differential equation that describes the wave function of a particle in a given system. This equation takes into account the potential energy of the system and the mass of the particle.

4. Why is it important for eigenfunctions to form an orthogonal set?

The orthogonality of eigenfunctions is important because it allows for the accurate prediction of the behavior of a particle in a given system. It also simplifies mathematical calculations and allows for the determination of the probability of finding a particle in a specific position.

5. Are the eigenfunctions for the position operator always orthogonal?

Yes, the eigenfunctions for the position operator are always orthogonal. This is because the position operator is a Hermitian operator, meaning that its eigenfunctions are always orthogonal. Orthogonality is a fundamental property of eigenfunctions in quantum mechanics.

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